Transcript [00:00] These Islamists on CNN were not ready [00:03] for Ayan Hersy Ali. Take a look. [00:06] >> Joining me again, our guest, Danish [00:08] lawmaker Nasad, Islamic scholar Tariq [00:11] Ramadan, and the former Dutch MP Ayan [00:13] Hershi Ali. Now, you were busy nodding [00:17] your head frantically saying that you [00:19] got all heated up. I mean, Tariq Ramadan [00:21] is saying that Islam is part of Europe [00:24] now. It is a European religion. Get used [00:27] to it. Some people will want to wear [00:29] their religious symbols just like nuns [00:31] wear habits. What's wrong with that? [00:33] >> Islam is not a European religion. There [00:35] are Muslims in Europe and they bring [00:38] Islam to Europe. Islam is a set of [00:40] beliefs. It's a set of values. And what [00:42] we are seeing in Europe is that there is [00:44] conflict between the values of Europe [00:47] and the values of Islam. And those [00:49] Muslims who adapt, choose to adapt to [00:52] the values of Europe will become [00:54] Europeans and they will be able to [00:57] believe and to practice the religious [01:00] dimension of their religion. [01:02] >> I guess my question is but they will not [01:04] be able and I think they're going to run [01:06] into problems if they try to bring [01:07] political Islam into Europe and that's [01:09] what we are seeing. We are having a [01:11] discussion [01:12] >> about political Islam [01:13] >> about the political dimension of Islam. [01:16] Islam has a political dimension. It has [01:18] a social dimension. For instance, [01:21] women's position. It also has a [01:23] religious dimension. We are not having a [01:25] discussion about praying five times a [01:27] day, fasting the Ramadan, etc. But we [01:30] are having a discussion about basic [01:33] human values that Europeans have [01:35] resolved and Muslims have not. [01:37] >> Okay. Tariq Ramadan. Europeans have [01:40] resolved basic human and democratic [01:42] values and Muslims have not. And would [01:45] you buy the the idea that in fact a lot [01:47] of these women in France are doing it as [01:50] a political gesture and as a as a sort [01:52] of identity a national identity. [01:57] >> It has nothing to do with this. Look uh [01:59] what we have now and this has to be also [02:01] you know we have a conservative uh MP [02:04] from Bandmark and we have someone who is [02:06] speaking about Islam saying in order to [02:08] be European you have to be less Muslim [02:10] because Islam has in itself a political [02:13] dimension. So I think that we are not [02:16] listening to what the Muslims the [02:18] European Muslims and the American [02:19] Muslims are saying. I think that is Ali [02:22] should listen to what the President [02:24] Barack Obama was saying when he was [02:26] talking to the Muslims and to the Muslim [02:28] the Muslim majority countries. He was [02:30] also saying to the Americans look Islam [02:32] is an American religion and now we have [02:35] to rely on facts and figures. We have [02:37] millions of European Muslims who are [02:40] abiding by the law speaking the language [02:42] of the country and they are now uh loyal [02:46] to their country and they are doing this [02:48] as an act of faith is not for initial [02:51] even though he she was a Muslim it [02:52] doesn't mean that because you were a [02:54] Muslim you are open-minded [02:57] you were Muslim and some others the [03:01] Muslims today are abiding by the law and [03:03] I am having we are having I'm sorry we [03:06] having Muslims who are stuffing [03:08] explosives into their underwear and who [03:10] are taking flights to kill innocent [03:13] people. [03:13] >> But that's nothing to do with the veil [03:15] Hershey. [03:15] >> It doesn't have anything to do with [03:17] speaking about killing innocent people. [03:18] >> It has to do it has to do with reading [03:21] the Quran participating in jihad which [03:23] is a major concept in Islam and who say [03:27] it is my religion. It's my God who tells [03:29] me to kill innocent people. It's my God [03:32] who makes me impose. We are saying so [03:35] that women can I'm sorry I'm sorry [03:36] >> you are not saying exactly the opposite [03:38] you are Islam is in the closet you are [03:41] saying you want to tranquilize everyone [03:43] into believing that Islam is a religion [03:46] of peace and come out and say as the [03:49] numbers increase I do not like your [03:50] argument I'm very suspicious of your [03:52] argument when you say it's only a small [03:54] minority of people when you know in [03:56] places like Iran in Egypt in Algeria [04:00] that it all started out with a small [04:02] group with a number of minor minority [04:04] and that increased and in democracies [04:06] numbers matter, demography matters. [04:08] >> Ayan, she's she's made a very strong [04:11] point. Terry Glisten, she's made a very [04:13] strong point and she's basically echoing [04:14] what Andre Jeran said in a way that this [04:18] veil is the visible part of an iceberg [04:21] and behind that is a black tide of [04:23] fundamentalism. So obviously people like [04:25] Ayan and the people like the French [04:27] government believe that this is the [04:29] beginning of some kind of of tidal wave. [04:32] >> It's empathetics. It's not just a [04:34] belief. [04:34] >> But hold on a second. No, but hold on a [04:35] second. Beginning. Let me [04:36] >> It is the beginning. Iran in 1970s there [04:40] were only about 10 people who were like [04:42] Go ahead. Would you let him respond? Go [04:44] ahead. [04:44] >> Let me [04:46] >> go ahead Terry. [04:46] >> I'm I'm sorry. It's impossible to speak. [04:49] It's impossible to speak to someone who [04:51] has a mind and the problem is Islam per [04:54] se. [04:55] >> So let me let me finish please. What we [04:58] have today is a new visibility of [05:00] Muslims and that's true. Let us really [05:03] look at facts and figures. We have a [05:05] tiny minority of women who are wearing [05:08] the nikab and the burka and we have some [05:12] uh uh extremist views that we have to [05:15] condemn by saying it's wrong to kill [05:17] innocent people is wrong to impose [05:19] anything in the name of Islam. And what [05:21] is said by the great great great [05:23] majority of the Muslims around the world [05:26] and in Europe as well as in the states [05:28] is that it has to be a free choice. We [05:30] cannot impose even the headscarf. The [05:32] women should be autonomous and free and [05:34] no violence and killing innocent people [05:37] as it was done in the state or anywhere [05:39] else in Muslim majority countries. This [05:41] is not acceptable. So the point is now [05:44] let me come to what is saying is saying [05:47] the visible presence of the Muslims that [05:49] there is a problem. Let me let me [05:51] finish. Let me finish. There is yes a [05:53] problem with uh the new visibility [05:56] because the people are perceiving this [05:57] new visibility as a new colonization. In [06:00] fact, it's exactly the opposite is that [06:02] the has nothing to do with colonization [06:05] immigrants, MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS to Europe [06:08] to come to Europe. [06:11] They don't think COLONIZ [06:16] hold on one second. [06:19] Can you hold on one second? Hold on, [06:21] sir. Hold on. Hold on a second. You will [06:25] get your chance in one minute. Hold on. [06:27] >> I want to read some statistics because [06:29] there's obviously a lot of a lot of uh [06:31] sort of stereotyping going on. Look, 90% [06:35] of Muslims in in Belgium feel very [06:38] strong sense of local belonging. 78% of [06:41] Muslims in England feel a sense of [06:44] belonging to Britain. 49% of Muslims in [06:47] France feel a sense of belonging. And 23 [06:50] who feel German. Let me go to Nasahada [06:53] for the last word. Why is such a lot of [06:56] hysteria when the facts speak to mostly [07:00] integrated Muslims? Why do politicians [07:03] and elements of the media focus so hard [07:06] on on the few people who maybe want to [07:09] wear the nikab or the veil or whatever [07:11] it is. [07:12] >> Nasa, [07:14] >> you know, the discussion about nikab and [07:16] ba is just a little part of the [07:18] discussion of political Islam. As I [07:20] started saying that the majority of the [07:23] Muslims in Western Europe and in Denmark [07:26] are well integrated and loy and loyal [07:29] citizens. Uh a recent survey in Denmark [07:32] told us that uh the majority of the [07:35] Muslims in Denmark are an integral part [07:39] of the labor force. Many of them are [07:42] becoming a part of the Danish middle [07:44] class. But we have but we have a [07:47] minority that living in ghetus in [07:50] parallel societies. Physically they are [07:54] living in Denmark in the west but [07:56] mentally they are living in the Middle [07:58] East [07:59] >> and that's the problem. The small groups [08:02] are uh making the problem for the [08:04] majority. [08:05] >> She absolutely nailed it. Great job by [08:08] Ayan Hersy Ali against Tariq Ramadan and [08:11] you know along with CNN Christian [08:14] Amanpor who is notoriously pro-Islam and [08:18] consistently trying to defend you know [08:21] Islamist against the West. Uh you know [08:25] this is CNN back in the day and [08:27] everything that Hersieli said back then [08:31] is now coming true. many of her old [08:33] debates and interviews are coming to [08:35] fruition because we didn't listen to [08:37] what she said back then. Now hopefully [08:40] we'll heed her warnings for the future. [08:43] Thank you for watching and I'll see you [08:45] in the next one. [music] [08:53] >> They voted in Hamz knowing what Hamas [08:56] are. [08:56] >> Hamas gave no warning before they [08:58] slaughtered 1,300 women and children. [09:00] October 7th has happened. [09:06] [music] [09:12] >> Okay. [09:12] >> Kill the Jew. [09:14] >> Killing Jew. Israelis up there.
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