Transcript [00:00] Oh, we got Whoa, bro. You're wearing my [00:02] country. You're wearing my country. [00:04] >> I think I saw you before, bro. Yes. Can [00:07] I talk to you, bro? [00:08] >> Definitely, bro. Let I would love to [00:10] talk cuz I love the necklace. Is it? [00:13] >> It's from the river to the sea. It's [00:14] Israel. Subhan Allah. [snorts] I love I [00:17] I do. I really appreciate your necklace, [00:19] bro. [00:20] >> It's actually VBS diamonds. [00:23] >> Diamonds? [00:24] >> Yeah. [00:25] >> My My guy loves Israel so much. She went [00:27] down to the diamond district, found a [00:29] [snorts] Jew, and got a necklace of [00:31] Israel from one of my Jewish uncles. [00:33] Brother, thank you. [00:37] >> Anytime, brother. All right. Can we talk [00:39] about stuff? I like talking to people. [00:41] >> I I love talking to people, too, as [00:43] well. That's like That's why I'm here. [00:45] Oh, my guy is repping the colors. He's [00:47] misspelled Israel and he's got the [00:49] colors wrong. It should be, white, and [00:51] blue. But hey, [00:53] it's still cool, bro. It's still my [00:55] country. [00:56] Yeah. Um, [00:59] yeah. Well, why is it your country? [01:01] >> Oh, why? Because I live here, bro, and [01:03] we control the territory. Why is it your [01:06] country? [01:08] [snorts] [01:09] >> Um, [01:10] because [01:13] uh what do you mean? Like [01:15] >> I mean, is it your country? Let me [01:16] reframe that because you didn't say [01:17] that. Maybe you think it's my country, [01:19] too. Is it your country? [01:21] >> Yeah, I believe. I believe. [01:23] >> Okay. So, we're sharing the land. Oh, [01:24] you believe it's called Palestine? I [01:26] sorry I thought you were talking about [01:27] Israel that we can definitely share [01:28] Israel but Palestine. Okay. When was it [01:31] Palestine? [01:33] >> When? [01:34] >> Yeah. Yeah. [01:34] >> I don't know. When the passport said it [01:36] 100 years ago. [01:37] >> Oh, you mean when it was British [01:39] mandatory Palestine and the first leader [01:40] Herbert Samuel the Zionist Jew was [01:43] installed. [clears throat] [01:44] You mean when it was Zionist? [01:49] >> I I I don't recall it being Zionist [01:51] country. [01:52] >> The first hike. It was established on [01:54] the condition they establish a Jewish [01:55] national home there. The first ruler of [01:58] it or high commissioner was a man called [01:59] Herbert Samuel, a British Zionist Jew. [02:02] >> It certainly wasn't a Muslim or a [02:04] Christian um country called Palestine. [02:06] It wasn't a country either. It was a [02:08] protector. It was British territory. [02:10] >> Okay. So, [02:13] why did why did the the citizens [02:15] passports read Palestine then? [02:17] >> Because the British referred to it by [02:18] the European name. So the the Jews [02:21] called it Judea or Israel. When the [02:24] Romans humiliated the Jews and defeated [02:26] a dozen battle to add insult to injury, [02:29] they renamed our territory after our [02:31] ancient enemies, the Pishim, the [02:33] Philistines, who were like a Greek [02:35] people who sailed across the sea and [02:36] established the Pentopoulos around [02:38] Ashcolon Ashto Gaza. And so the [02:41] Europeans preserved the Roman name, [02:42] which was a name to humiliate the [02:44] indigenous people, the Jews. And then [02:47] the British when they were given the [02:48] territory after defeating the Ottomans [02:50] by the League of Nations, they used the [02:52] European name Palestine. Um only be Abid [02:56] Alhadi um the prominent Arab [02:59] anti-Zionist leader from the 30s said [03:02] there has never been a country called [03:03] Palestine. Palestine is a term the [03:05] Zionists invented. And then in the 60s [03:08] y'all really appropriated the name and [03:10] took on the identity to fight the Jews. [03:13] That's the the brief history. What's [03:15] your history now? You give me your [03:16] history of when I was Palestine. That's [03:17] how I see the history. How do you see [03:19] the history? [03:21] >> Um, [03:23] well, I mean, my grandfather, who's [03:26] still alive today, [03:29] he was born well before the time of the [03:32] war. [03:34] >> Right now, [03:35] >> yeah, I got you. So my grandfather who [03:39] was born uh I want to say be in the 30s. [03:45] >> Okay. So in the mandate period. In the [03:46] mandate period. Yeah. Yeah. Like many [03:48] like many Jews who lived there, he would [03:50] have had a Palestinian passport, but it [03:52] was a British issued passport with [03:53] Hebrew writing in it. [03:59] >> So at let me get this straight. At the [04:02] time of my grandfather's living, [04:05] he was not being occupied, but he's [04:07] being occupied now. Where did that [04:09] switch come in? [04:10] >> He was being occupied. He was being [04:11] occupied by the British and before that [04:14] by the Turks, [04:17] >> but he was still a Palestinian and [04:20] so he wouldn't he would have referred to [04:21] himself as a Muslim. I assume Muslim. Is [04:24] he Christian? Mas he? [04:26] >> No, I'm not a Muslim. [04:28] >> Okay. So, he would have been a Muslim. [04:29] And like depending on what his name is, [04:32] what is Kamula, what clan he's from, I [04:35] can tell you when he entered the land. [04:36] Was he an al- Messi that came 100 years? [04:39] Well, then it would have been 50 years [04:40] earlier. Was he um was he ragi? Was he a [04:45] Tamimi? Um depending what his name is, I [04:48] can tell you nine times out of 10 when [04:50] he even entered the land, did he come [04:52] over with Salahudin? Did he come over [04:54] with the Mamluks? Did he come over with [04:56] the Ottomans? Because [04:57] [cough and clears throat] most of the [04:57] Arabs arrived relatively recently. Most, [05:00] not all. There are some old families, [05:02] but most of the journey come late. [05:07] >> Right. Okay. Well, for the record, we're [05:09] not Tamimis, but I'd like for you to [05:11] enlighten me. When did the Tamimis make? [05:13] >> So, the Tamimis are interesting. So, [05:15] here you go. So, there soal sahi hadith. [05:20] Um, I say so-called sahi because I don't [05:22] believe what I'm about to say. So for [05:24] the audience, a hadith is [05:27] >> Wait, hold on. If you don't believe what [05:28] you're about to say, then why are we [05:29] saying it? [05:30] >> Because this is what Islam teaches. This [05:32] is how we know when the Muslims believe [05:35] that. [05:35] >> No, but I want to know what you believe. [05:37] >> So I'm going to tell you, I'm quite [05:38] happy to accept not that part of the [05:41] story, but not all of the story I'm [05:42] about to share. So the part I believe is [05:46] that the family Tamim, they arrived from [05:51] Iraq. They were Christians and they came [05:53] to the Khalil which we call the Bible [05:56] calls. They arrived there around two [06:00] generations before Muhammad and then [06:04] Tamim goes off to [06:07] the hij [06:09] and he embraces Islam and Muhammad gives [06:13] them this is the bit I don't believe and [06:15] says that this part of this is this is [06:18] yours and so the Tamimis believe they [06:20] have an authentic tradition that gives [06:22] them a claim to a part of Hebrron from [06:26] from Muhammad. So they're actually one [06:28] of the earlier families, Muslim [06:29] families, and they were Christian to [06:31] begin with. Many of the um Christian [06:34] families or not many, some of the [06:36] Christian families did abandon their [06:38] faith because of the Jiza and other [06:40] oppressions and they embraced Islam. So [06:42] if I don't know which your family is, [06:45] but the Tamimis, they're old. They're [06:46] 1400 years old. I don't want to kick the [06:48] Tamim is old unless they fight me and [06:50] then Khabib it's on. Um but if they're [06:52] just chilling with the lad. [06:54] >> Um no I said if you're not fighting me [06:56] no. Um if you fight me then there's [07:00] actions have consequences. And if you [07:02] fight me and you lose then don't cry for [07:04] 78 years. If you don't fight me if you [07:08] don't fight me then inshallah my [07:10] children will play with your children in [07:12] the playground. Inshallah me and you [07:14] baklava and jaffa. Well, unfortunately [07:17] not because my uncles, both of my dad's [07:20] only brothers, actually, uh, when they [07:22] were 14 and 11, they were killed. And me [07:26] and my brother who just opened my door, [07:28] were both named after them. And they [07:30] weren't fighting anyone. They were [07:32] actually, this was during the [07:34] >> Was this during the intera? [07:37] Uh this was in let's see if they were [07:39] born in like they were born in [07:43] late 50s. They were born in the late [07:46] 50s. They were about 12. So what this [07:48] was like 1970 [07:51] >> maybe 67. Maybe they were in the ' 67 [07:53] war. That sounds more the time frame [07:56] we're in rather than the inter. [07:58] >> Hey look I I I'd have to go ask my dad. [08:00] But let's just let's just assume [08:02] >> but let's just say let's just say [08:03] tragically you had two innocent uncles [08:06] that were killed in a war, bro. That's [08:08] why we don't like war. War is [08:10] >> they weren't they weren't bombed. They [08:11] weren't it wasn't it wasn't like it was [08:13] like a stray bullet that caught them. [08:14] No, they were actually trying to flee to [08:16] Jordan to go meet my my dad's aunt. And [08:20] when they did get to Jordan, the the [08:22] ladies were all in Jordan and all the [08:25] men decided we have to go back and check [08:28] and make sure it's safe before we all go [08:30] back. So the men went and my two uncles [08:33] who were children at the time went along [08:35] with the men. And when they were [08:37] crossing into Fallstine around the [08:38] border between Falstine and Amen Jordan, [08:42] uh they were just captured and never [08:44] seen again. I mean, even till this day, [08:46] we still don't even know if they're [08:47] alive or not. God knows where they went. [08:49] I mean, they're probably dead. It's good [08:51] to assume, but [08:54] >> for sure. So, I just want to ask you, so [08:56] what I I genuinely [08:59] >> I try to be as truthful and insincere as [09:02] I can. And if I don't know the [09:04] circumstances of someone's um death, I [09:06] don't like personal tragedies. I don't [09:09] like to cast shadow on it. So, I [09:11] honestly don't know what happened to [09:12] your uncles. [09:14] I don't know if they were mistakenly [09:17] killed. I don't know if they were [09:18] arrested. I don't know if they were [09:19] carrying out a terror attack. I doubt it [09:20] given their ages, but I don't know any [09:22] of this. So, I'm not I'm not going I'm I [09:24] can't possibly comment on that. What I [09:26] can comment on is the [09:29] >> You think it was fair? [09:30] >> Do I think it was fair that two children [09:32] died? Of course not. No, that's tragic. [09:34] >> If there's actually nine of them, there [09:35] was some some kids from uh the family [09:38] Shali and like there was like a couple [09:40] other kids from a different family as [09:42] well. [09:43] So I can't no what would like a child is [09:46] a child. Even a child who is recruited [09:48] as a mudjah is still tragic because it's [09:51] still a child and they've had their [09:52] innocence robbed by grown-ups. So I [09:54] don't want to comment. I don't want to [09:55] cast shadow because I don't know and it [09:57] sounds like you also don't know. And so [09:59] we're both just guessing as happened. [10:01] >> No, you just said you don't know. Yeah. [10:03] >> I know everything up to leading up to [10:05] like [10:06] >> how they were killed. You know what I [10:07] mean? But like everything else [10:08] >> and but they could have been mistakenly [10:10] killed by Jordanians. [10:11] I'm debating this. I'm debating this [10:13] dude that I saw on TikTok once. [10:15] >> How long How long you need to go like [10:17] now now or like in 5 minutes? [10:21] >> It's 2:10 right now. All right. Sorry. [10:23] Continue. Talking my brother. This is [10:25] the brother that's named after the uncle [10:28] that died. [10:28] >> May May you live long lives that your [10:31] uncles didn't get to. [10:33] >> Thank you. [10:33] >> Um [10:35] >> and so I I don't I don't know what [10:37] happened to to them and I don't want to [10:39] comment. I can comment on modern events. [10:41] There's incidents that's happened in [10:42] Gaza that I disagree with. There's [10:44] incidents that I have seen lots of [10:47] people die that I tragic tragically die [10:49] that while I hate what's happened, I [10:51] support the initiative. Like for [10:52] instance, when you kill Muhammad Sinoir [10:55] um when you killed Muhammad Dave. Um [10:57] >> so I want to ask you a question. [10:59] Unfortunately, I would really like I [11:01] would have talked to you for hours if if [11:02] it was better circumstances, but I'm [11:04] curious. So, seeing that my dad's only [11:07] two brothers were killed, [11:09] >> would you [11:11] would you blame my dad? Thankfully, he [11:13] did not go in the route of resistance [11:15] because he had eight sisters to take [11:17] care of. His dad passed away when my dad [11:18] was 15. So, he had no choice but to work [11:21] to try to support for eight sisters and [11:23] give us good lives. But if my dad chose [11:26] to go the resistance route, could you [11:28] really blames him? I mean, his only two [11:32] brothers would kill his children. [11:34] Don't you think your brain would be [11:35] like, "Fuck, I got to fight back. I I've [11:37] got [11:38] >> I have to do what I have to do." [11:39] >> So I I I shared the story yesterday and [11:42] I'll share it again with you today. So I [11:43] have many friends who've lost children [11:45] in this conflict in the like on both [11:47] sides. Our streets are so the blood of [11:50] our children tragically. And one of the [11:53] most inspirational people I've met is a [11:55] Palestinian from East Jerusalem. So when [11:57] he was 17 years old, he threw a grenade [11:59] at the IDF. He got arrested. Don't throw [12:02] grenades at the IDF. Dumb move. You're [12:03] going to jail for terrorism. And while [12:06] he was in jail, he decided he wanted to [12:07] learn about his enemies. And he [12:09] researched the big lie. He believed the [12:11] big lie that was told to them. Oh, this [12:13] is what Palestinians teach. There's a [12:15] big lie that's been sold by the [12:16] Europeans, by the Jews, that the Jews [12:19] were murdered in the Holocaust and they [12:21] spread this lie so they could steal [12:22] Philistine. And so he decided to [12:24] research this. And in researching it, he [12:26] realized it wasn't a big lie. It was a [12:28] big truth. It was a horrible truth. and [12:30] that his neighbors that he were fighting [12:31] had been to hell that were were shadows [12:35] of a people after six million of them [12:37] were slaughtered. And so he committed [12:39] his life to study about the Holocaust. [12:41] And so when he was released from prison [12:42] for terrorism, he goes to the UK to [12:44] study the Holocaust at university, [12:46] writes his thesis on the Holocaust, [12:48] comes back to Jerusalem, marries a [12:50] Muslim woman, has a child, a young girl, [12:54] and tragically that girl was shot in the [12:57] back by an Israeli soldier. The state [13:00] >> that's disgusting. I mean, [13:02] >> the state the state investigated it and [13:04] said, "This should never have happened. [13:06] Here's some compensation. Here's some [13:07] money, but no money will ever bring back [13:09] a child. No money. No, no amount of [13:12] money. But it was an admission. It was [13:14] an admission that that girl was entirely [13:17] innocent and should not have died and [13:19] should be alive today. [13:21] >> Do you know what this man did? Did he [13:22] join the MA? Did he join the resistance? [13:25] No. [13:26] >> What did he do? [13:26] >> He met me and many people like me and [13:29] promoted a message of peace. And so [13:34] >> I think we are all responsible for the [13:36] paths we take. If you respond to trauma [13:38] and tragedy by promoting peace, may [13:40] Allah give you the highest levels of [13:42] Jenna. If you promote to personal trauma [13:44] by killing others, by murdering [13:46] children, by murdering innocents, [13:48] unfortunately, you've turned your trauma [13:50] into a one-way ticket to janam because [13:53] we are accountable for our actions and [13:55] we all have to stand before Allah [13:58] and be accountable for the deeds that [13:59] we've done. Um, so I can't comment on [14:03] your father's personal circumstances. [14:05] Are you are you like laring Muslim? Like [14:07] are you just [14:08] >> No, no, no, no, no. So we believe the [14:10] same. [14:12] Yum. In Hebrew, yum had in Arabic. Yum. [14:15] You're just translating. I'm just Yeah. [14:17] In where Allah comes from a Hebrew word [14:19] Allah. Um like everything that I'm [14:22] saying I can find precedent in my own [14:24] religion, but if I spoke Hebrew, you [14:25] wouldn't understand. So I use the [14:27] Arabic. [14:29] >> Um yeah, unfortunately I I do have to [14:33] go. But look, I I I I I agree. [14:35] >> I'll give you my Instagram. I'll give [14:37] you my Instagram, and if you want to [14:38] continue the conversation, we can. Um, [14:41] >> sure. Um, [14:42] >> that's how you can message me. [14:44] >> Here, I'll take a picture. I I really do [14:46] appreciate the part regarding like [14:48] peace. I'm all for it. I don't want [14:50] anyone to die. No one should die. But [14:52] unfortunately, it's gone a little bit [14:54] too far. Things that [14:56] >> I agree. We've entered the bloodiest. [14:59] >> We've entered the bloodiest chapter of [15:01] our people's history. The biggest trauma [15:03] the Palestinians, the Arabs have faced [15:04] in this land is Gaza. The biggest [15:06] massacre of Jews since the Holocaust is [15:09] October the 7th. We've entered the [15:11] darkest chapters of our people's [15:13] history. And it's for people like me and [15:15] you to to take us to carry our people to [15:18] to lightness to better days. Inshallah. [15:21] >> Yeah. All the birth.
