Transcript [00:00] Josh Hammer and a rabbi who lives in [00:02] Israel. Like there was nobody else [00:03] available. You know what time it must [00:04] have been in Israel for him to organize [00:06] this call? Why is he doing it with this [00:08] rabbi? Uh was it Wojiki? Whatever his [00:10] last name is. You're not going to just [00:12] call like Dennis Prager who you're [00:14] apparently writing a Shabbat shalom book [00:15] with. Uh it seems a little suspect. [00:17] >> Hey everyone. So Candace Owens has been [00:20] talking about me recently on a number of [00:22] episodes of her podcast over the last [00:24] few weeks. She's mentioned me and she in [00:28] her mind I'm part of the conspiracy of [00:31] the Israelis uh taking out Charlie Kirk [00:34] because I was one of the last people to [00:36] talk to him and I had a relationship [00:38] with him. So I want to play a couple of [00:39] the clips of her talking about me and [00:42] and and just you know give my take and [00:44] and share my response and give my side [00:46] of the story as it were. But also uh [00:49] towards the end of this video after [00:50] after I play the second clip, I'm going [00:52] to talk about why her whole claim that [00:56] uh that I was, you know, I'm some sort [00:58] of nefarious character connected to the [01:00] Israeli government that uh you know had [01:02] something to do with Charlie Kirk's [01:04] murder is so absurd. So let's hit the [01:07] first clip. Here we go. So this is from [01:09] uh approximately two weeks ago. [01:11] organized this Zoom call for the express [01:14] purpose of trying to make sure that he [01:16] had all the best answers, the best [01:18] messaging advice for how to speak about [01:21] Jewish Christian relations and the [01:23] Israel question on college campuses. [01:26] >> Okay, first and foremost, I just want to [01:28] say he's so full of crap. The idea that [01:30] Charlie had just gotten back from Korea [01:31] and was like, "Oh, please help me, Josh [01:32] Hammer. You're a complete idiot. Please [01:34] help me learn how to speak to college [01:35] students." Josh Hammer and a rabbi who [01:37] lives in Israel. Like there was nobody [01:39] else available. You know what time it [01:40] must have been in Israel for him to [01:41] organize this call? Why is he doing it [01:44] with this rabbi? Uh was it Wojiki? [01:46] Whatever his last name is, you not just [01:48] call like Dennis Prager who you're [01:50] apparently writing a Shabbat shalom book [01:51] with. Uh it seems a little suspect. So [01:54] you're actually clarifying for us [01:56] something that's amazing. This is a a [01:58] stunning emission admission. Okay. [02:00] Because we know that when Charlie got [02:02] off of this phone call, he texts that [02:05] evening a text message to Dan Flood and [02:08] Andrew Kovette saying, "They're going to [02:10] kill me. You should have left it at [02:12] September 8th because now the September [02:14] 9th schedule is looking a little bit [02:15] suspect." Let's pull that up. I want you [02:16] guys to see this. Let's go to September [02:17] 9th first. Okay. So, we know, which I've [02:21] been able to confirm, that Charlie had [02:23] an appearance in the Will Kane show. [02:24] That's from his TPUSA office. Erica said [02:27] that Charlie had the call with Josh [02:28] Hammer around this time. Uh this is [02:31] guys, just so you know, this is Arizona [02:32] time, okay? That she was getting her [02:34] nails done around this time. That's what [02:36] she told me in person. Well, 3:54 p.m. [02:39] She must have been She's referring to [02:40] the chat. Charlie sends out that text [02:42] message regarding leaving the pro-Israel [02:44] cause 6 o'clock p.m. Again, this is [02:46] according to Josh Hammer because he says [02:47] two hours later, uh, which would have [02:49] been 5:54 p.m. 6:00 p.m. Josh Hammer and [02:52] this rabbi that literally is based in [02:54] Israel have a Zoom call with Charlie. [02:56] So, he sends a message. The chat [02:58] explodes. People are pulling out their [03:00] money. He's saying, "I have no choice to [03:02] abandon the the pro-Israel cause uh [03:04] cause." Then this rabbi stays up and [03:06] Josh Hammer stays up. They have a call [03:08] with Charlie about talking points for to [03:12] do what he's done his entire career [03:13] because he doesn't know how to do this [03:14] himself. He's turning to Josh Hammer who [03:17] he does not have a great relationship [03:19] with to help him massage out his points. [03:21] Okay. He's getting messages from Bob [03:23] Schman. Everyone's pulling out their [03:25] money. And then we know that after that [03:28] he's going to have dinner with Erica and [03:30] the kids and a priest to pray over him. [03:34] According to Erica, we are told that [03:36] that prayer is related to a Jezebel [03:39] article that published. I by the way, I [03:42] say I actually don't believe that at [03:44] all. I'm just going to put that out [03:45] there. Like just because of my [03:47] relationship with Charlie and how much [03:49] we texted about ridiculous articles and [03:51] laughed at them. For me to think that [03:53] suddenly on some feminist website [03:55] somebody wrote something saying they [03:56] bought an Etsy spell that that would [03:58] send him so over the edge that he would [03:59] call a priest doesn't doesn't pass the [04:02] sniff test for me. But let's just we [04:05] just looking at the schedule. He's [04:07] fighting with Jewish donors. They're [04:09] taking out his money. Bob Showman takes [04:11] out his money. He then schedules this [04:13] call with a rabbi in Josh Hammer. No, [04:16] they were talking him off of the cliff. [04:17] He's in the chat. He's saying, "I want [04:20] Candace back." Confirmed. This happened [04:21] on September 9th. Now, I want Candace [04:23] back. I want to have her. He's also [04:25] texting other people saying, "I want to [04:26] have Candace back." Confirmed. On [04:28] September 9th, now you've got Oh, a [04:30] panic call. Come on, just talk. Let's [04:32] talk through this. Don't bring Tucker [04:34] and Candace. Let's talk through this [04:36] talk. These aren't these aren't he's not [04:38] looking to debate with a rabbi. Hey, [04:40] help me debate. This is asinine. They [04:43] want us to believe he needed a rabbi, a [04:44] priest, and a pastor in the last 24 [04:46] hours of his life. All helping him with [04:48] talking points. Okay. So then get that [04:51] get that schedule back up. He ends this [04:53] call. he has to have dinner in this [04:55] hour, which I've confirmed he did have [04:57] dinner with his family and the priest uh [04:59] to pray over him, this priest at dinner. [05:02] And then he messages Dan Flood and says [05:04] they're going to kill me, [05:07] but he was obviously talking about the [05:09] His day was being impacted by [05:13] Israel. He was referring to Israel when [05:15] he said that. Okay, so first of all, at [05:17] the beginning there where she says, you [05:20] know what, he's talking to this rabbi to [05:22] get talking points on Israel. How come [05:24] he couldn't just go to someone like [05:25] Dennis Prager? Now, let's just get this [05:28] out of the way. Let me explain my [05:30] relationship to Charlie and and uh and [05:33] it'll hopefully this will make some [05:35] sense uh just in case you're believing [05:37] Candace's uh theories. [05:40] So, yes, I'm an ordained rabbi. I I am a [05:44] rabbi. I'm also a regular uh opinion [05:46] writer uh columnist for the Jerusalem [05:49] Post. I appear there a couple times a [05:50] month and those writings are all about [05:53] politics of all about what is going on [05:54] in Israel. I also appear regularly on a [05:58] number of shows in both the Christian [06:00] media and the political conservative [06:02] space, whether it's on networks like TBN [06:04] or on Steve Bannon's War Room. I [06:06] appeared on the Charlie Kirk show a [06:08] number of times. I also had a show I I [06:11] hosted a weekly show about Israel on the [06:13] Real America's Voice Network for about [06:15] six months back in 2024. It was a pilot [06:17] and the Real America's Voice Network in [06:20] case you don't know. That's the same [06:22] network that Charlie Kirk's show was on, [06:23] that Steve Bannon's show was on, that [06:25] Jack Poic's show is on. It's it's a it's [06:28] the MAGA network. And I had a show on [06:29] that network and I also appeared on [06:31] their morning show regularly. Um, so I'm [06:34] and and all of those appearances are all [06:36] about politics. I'm a political [06:38] commentator besides the fact that I am a [06:41] rabbi. Now, if Candace had simply [06:43] Googled my name, I'm pretty easy to [06:45] find. If you Google my name and just see [06:46] what I do, you'll see that that is what [06:49] I do. So, this, you know, just painting [06:50] it as, oh, he's got this rabbi, he's got [06:52] this rabbi, he's got this rabbi. The [06:53] fact that I'm a rabbi is not really [06:55] relevant to this conversation. Charlie [06:57] used me as a resource from Israel. Now, [07:00] why wouldn't he just go to Dennis [07:01] Prager? Okay, Dennis Prager is a Jew. [07:03] He's an American public intellectual. [07:05] He's written some wonderful books and he [07:07] does talk about Israel, but he's he's uh [07:10] he's a thinker who's American and talks [07:12] about America most of the time. The the [07:14] the entire reason I had a regular [07:17] relationship with Charlie was that [07:20] Charlie liked to stay informed about [07:22] every topic that he covered. Okay. And [07:26] with all of the, you know, conflicting [07:28] information and different opinions [07:29] flying around about Israel, Charlie [07:32] created a WhatsApp group, the famous [07:34] WhatsApp group. He created a WhatsApp [07:35] group to discuss Israel issues. Okay? [07:39] And in the WhatsApp group, he put a [07:41] couple members of his of his staff and [07:42] some people that he knew that he trusted [07:45] on the Israel issue. And when he was [07:47] putting the WhatsApp group together, he [07:49] wanted to actually have a person from [07:52] Israel in it. Oh, wow. Why would he have [07:55] this rabbi from Israel? The reason is [07:57] because he wanted if he's gonna if he's [07:59] going to cover an issue and he's going [08:00] to talk about an issue, he doesn't want [08:02] all of his information to come from [08:04] people who are far away from the issue. [08:06] Okay? He wanted to actually have a [08:08] source on the ground in Israel who knows [08:10] the politics, who knows what's going on [08:12] there, but he also was looking for [08:14] someone who is who understands his [08:17] political viewpoint, who understands [08:19] MAGA, who understands America first [08:22] politics and and that he could trust. [08:25] And because he knew me and because he [08:28] knew of my relationship with other [08:30] people in the MAGA movement, he was [08:32] aware of my of my uh of my close working [08:35] relationship with Steve Bannon and that [08:37] I'm a regular on Steve's show. Charlie [08:38] was very close to Steve. And so he was [08:41] aware of me from that. So he knew me [08:44] from my involvement in the MAGA [08:45] movement. I I met Charlie a few years [08:47] earlier at Turning Point USA's America [08:49] Fest where which I attend every year. [08:52] Okay. So he knew that I was. So here I [08:54] am a Jew from Israel. I'm an Israeli who [08:58] understands MAGA who's also a political [09:01] commentator. So I'm on top of the [09:02] issues. That's a pretty good resource. [09:04] I'm not I'm not trying to toot my own [09:05] horn. I'm not such a famous guy, but I'm [09:07] a public I'm out there in public. It's [09:09] easy to know what I do. And it makes [09:12] sense that to add to the group of [09:14] resources about Israel that he was [09:16] talking to. He I was part of that [09:18] conversation. Okay. So why didn't you [09:21] just go to Dennis Prager? Look, Dennis [09:22] Prager's wonderful, I guess, whatever [09:24] you think of Dennis Prager, but why? He [09:27] wanted someone from Israel who is has [09:30] his finger on the pulse of the politics [09:32] there. So, that's why I had this [09:34] relationship with Charlie. Uh, and and [09:36] that's why this this was put together. [09:38] Now, as for the Zoom call she's talking [09:39] about, what she's referring to there is [09:41] a Zoom call that Charlie had the night [09:42] before he was killed about Israel. Now, [09:45] why did he have this Zoom call? So, [09:47] first of all, this Zoom call was not a [09:49] sudden Zoom call. It wasn't an emergency [09:51] call to talk him off the ledge or [09:52] anything like that. This Zoom call was [09:54] on the schedule for weeks in advance and [09:56] it was put on the schedule by Charlie [09:59] because it was the night before he was [10:01] starting his next campus tour. Now, a [10:03] lot of people don't realize that a huge [10:05] number of the questions that Charlie [10:08] would get asked on his campus tour were [10:10] always about Israel. And he hated that. [10:12] It drove him nuts because he was there [10:15] to talk about America. And he would get [10:17] asked all these questions about Israel. [10:18] something like half the questions he got [10:19] asked were about Israel and he didn't [10:22] nec he wasn't an expert on Israel. So he [10:26] wanted to prepare to go out on campus [10:29] and talk about Israel. I wasn't giving [10:30] him talking points but what he did was [10:33] in advance of the call his staff [10:35] provided me with the most commonly asked [10:37] questions that he got about Israel and [10:39] then I prepared information about it. He [10:42] didn't accept every point that I made. [10:44] That's fine. That's not what it was [10:45] about. but he wanted to talk through the [10:47] talking points and there were a number [10:48] of people on the Zoom call. Josh Hammer [10:50] obviously was on it. He said that but it [10:52] wasn't just me and Josh Hammer. There [10:53] were a number of people there. I'm not [10:55] going to say who they were because it's [10:56] not my place to disclose who else was on [10:58] the call, but there were some other [10:59] people from from from the from Charlie's [11:01] staff. There were people there on the [11:03] call and we were having and we were [11:04] going through and talking through these [11:06] issues and and you know and and me as [11:09] the expert from Israel was providing my [11:12] insight on these issues. That's what the [11:14] call was about. It was called by [11:15] Charlie. It was on the schedule for [11:17] weeks. Okay. So, that's what that call [11:20] was about. That's what my relationship [11:21] with Charlie was. Uh that that's that's [11:24] why I had a relationship to Charlie. [11:26] Let's take a look at the second clip. [11:28] Now, [11:29] >> the day before, as we know, Charlie [11:31] messages a group of people and says that [11:33] he is abandoning the pro-Israel cause. [11:35] And he means it. Okay. He's also texting [11:38] people who work at Turning Point USA and [11:40] he's saying he wants Candace back at [11:42] Amfest that year after the Zionist peer [11:45] pressure to keep me off of the roster. [11:46] He wasn't allowed to have me. Charlie's [11:49] done. He is done. Done. That's now a [11:51] fact. He signals to his troops that he [11:53] doesn't care about the money. Does not [11:54] care about the money anymore. He wants [11:56] them out. He then has what looks like an [11:59] emergency Zoom call with Rabbi Wiki. [12:02] Now, I want you to bear in mind this is [12:03] 400 a.m. in Israel. Rabbi I believe he [12:06] lives in Israel. It's 4:00 a.m. and he's [12:08] going to jump on this call with Charlie [12:11] uh and he was just on this chat. He was [12:14] >> Okay, before we go on, let me just let [12:16] me just throw this in. I was in Buffalo, [12:19] New York. I travel a lot for my work. Um [12:22] and I was speaking at a church, a [12:25] pro-Israel church up in Buffalo, New [12:26] York. I do a lot of speaking in churches [12:28] on behalf of Israel. And uh so I was not [12:31] it was not 4:00 a.m. in Israel. Thank [12:33] you very much, Candace. on the chat two [12:35] hours earlier before this call when [12:37] Charlie said that he would no longer be [12:39] bullied by Jewish donors who play into [12:43] all of the stereotypes that chat that [12:45] notorious chat which also featured Josh [12:47] Hammer. Okay, Josh and the rabbi 2 hours [12:51] later are going to jump on this call [12:53] and later on after Charlie assassinated [12:57] Josh and Erica in a different time to my [13:02] face, they are they're going to say that [13:04] that chat was really not a big deal. [13:06] That chat wasn't a big deal. Charlie was [13:07] just blowing off a little bit of steam. [13:09] He didn't mean it. He never once blinked [13:11] on his support for Israel. [13:14] Now, according to Josh, that two-hour [13:16] later call, [13:20] that was just because Josh Hammer is [13:21] brilliant. He's a mentor. He was a [13:23] mentor somehow to Charlie when it came [13:25] to debating and he really just needed [13:27] some good talking points. He was angry [13:28] at Israel, but he was just blowing off [13:31] some steam and then he was back and [13:32] wanted to focus on these talking points. [13:34] And so apparently um he needed Josh [13:37] Hammer and he also needed this rabbi all [13:39] the way in Israel who agreed to wake up [13:41] at 4:00 a.m. his time to help Charlie [13:45] with talking points to college students. [13:48] It's not exactly doing some mainstage [13:51] event up against some big political [13:53] player. He's he needs help debating [13:55] college students. So never mind the fact [13:57] let's just park aside the fact that [13:58] Charlie was known as a boy wonder for [14:01] doing just that. That's how he made his [14:02] name, debating college kids. This time, [14:05] for whatever reason, he needs some [14:06] pointers, and these were the two that [14:08] were best suited for the job. Okay. What [14:11] we know happens thereafter is Charlie [14:13] concludes this call with Josh and the [14:15] rabbi, and then he sends off text [14:18] messages to his security chief, Dan [14:21] Flood, also to Andrew Kovette, and he [14:24] says to them that they are going to kill [14:25] me. Who is they? Well, Erica wants us to [14:28] believe that he was referring to the [14:30] left or maybe even an Etsy wi witch, [14:33] right? Some Etsy witch who put a curse [14:36] on him. Because don't forget, we were [14:40] also told that the definitely not at all [14:44] Catholic. Charlie had a priest come over [14:47] and pray over him as well after he has [14:50] this uh debating pointers handed to him [14:55] and texting people saying he's going to [14:56] die. He he also was not at all Catholic [14:59] and needed a priest to pray over him. [15:02] And by the way, don't forget he also [15:04] apparently had no fears the next day. [15:05] Erica says she has his phone, but we got [15:07] a priest praying over him. We have a [15:10] declaration that he's abandoning the [15:12] pro-Israel cause and that he feels that [15:13] he is being bullied and he's done with [15:16] it and that Jewish will play into all [15:18] the stereotypes. But we are also told [15:20] that he he had no fears the next day. [15:21] Actually, he went to bed and he was just [15:23] excited. He was elated. He couldn't [15:25] sleep because doing college campus [15:28] events was so brand new to him that he [15:30] felt like a kid on Christmas morning. [15:32] I'm just going to jump in here and tell [15:34] you that's a lie. [15:37] >> All right. Um, [15:40] so here here Candace is uh is saying [15:42] that like you know, oh this is absurd. [15:44] You know, he's consulting with this [15:45] rabbi. Okay, she Candace does not know [15:48] how Charlie [15:51] prepared all of the issues that he [15:52] talked about both for his show and for [15:55] debating with college students. He was a [15:57] relentless preparer and he was a [15:59] voracious reader. He was also a very [16:01] busy person. So Charlie had people that [16:03] he relied on who were experts in all the [16:05] different issues that he covered that he [16:07] relied on to to talk through every [16:10] single issue that he dealt with. Okay? [16:13] And so the this group chat about Israel [16:16] is just one of many chats that Charlie [16:19] had to talk about different issues. [16:21] Okay? He didn't rely just on himself. [16:23] Okay? Maybe Candace relies just on [16:25] himself, but Charlie relied on he had a [16:27] lot of people in his life uh mentors on [16:29] different issues that he dealt with. [16:30] Okay? That's number one. Now, um, and I [16:34] and I already mentioned the fact that it [16:36] was not 4 in the morning. I was in [16:37] Buffalo, New York. I I was stateside and [16:40] that this and that this meeting had been [16:42] planned for a while. Now, let me explain [16:44] Charlie's position on Israel because now [16:46] you can take my word for it or not, [16:48] Candace has seen a couple screenshots [16:50] that were sent to her by Andrew of from [16:52] that chat from that day. Uh, and that's [16:54] how she knows about it. That's how she [16:56] knows about that chat group. But I was [16:59] in constant conversation with Charlie [17:01] again as a resource for him on Israel. [17:03] He would ask questions. He would want to [17:04] there be a headline. He'd want to check [17:05] in on it, see what the Israeli side is. [17:07] That doesn't mean he accepted my my [17:09] talking points. Uh it was just I was I [17:11] was just providing our side of the story [17:13] for things. Okay. Now, my understanding [17:16] of Charlie's position here was this. If [17:18] you go back to the student action summit [17:20] in July, and that's where all this stuff [17:22] blew up. That's where this whole thing [17:23] started with the donors getting upset at [17:25] him where Tucker Carlson gave a speech [17:27] there that was quite anti-Israel and [17:29] quite anti-Jewish. It included like a [17:31] herang about Bill Aman and and and the [17:33] Mossad and Jeffrey Epstein. It was a it [17:35] was he gave a speech that really upset a [17:38] lot of Jews. And that's when he started [17:40] getting a lot of heat to cancel people [17:43] to cancel Tucker Carlson. That was what [17:45] was going on. And uh I was actually on [17:48] the side of saying that he shouldn't [17:50] cancel anybody. I'm not into cancelling [17:52] people's voices. Um I I don't think it's [17:55] productive. I don't think we gain much [17:57] from it. Uh that's a that's another [17:59] topic for another time. But I even wrote [18:01] So when all that criticism was [18:03] happening, when the Jewish community was [18:04] criticizing was criticizing Turning [18:06] Point and Charlie for platforming Tucker [18:08] Carlson. I wrote an opinion piece in the [18:11] Jerusalem Post. Actually, um it's right [18:14] here. Let me let me pull it up here. I [18:17] wrote an opinion piece in the Jerusalem [18:19] Post defending Charlie Kirk uh for [18:22] platforming these people. And in it I I [18:25] talked about the fact that we can't have [18:26] this purity test. We can't be uh you [18:29] know insisting that people, you know, [18:32] agree to everything Israel says in order [18:34] to platform them and that we have to be [18:36] smarter about it. This isn't about [18:37] political purity test. The pro-Israel [18:39] movement cannot afford to demand [18:41] absolute ideological conformity. And uh [18:43] and this was a case that I was making in [18:45] my column in my in in this column that I [18:47] wrote in the in the Jerusalem Post. [18:50] Okay. And around that time I also [18:54] appeared a couple times on the Charlie [18:55] Kirk show. This was this was you know [18:57] all part of uh of my defense of Charlie [19:01] for platforming people like Tucker [19:03] Carlson. I never called for him to [19:04] cancel any voices. Now Charlie did not [19:08] agree with the things that Tucker said [19:10] about Israel. Charlie had his questions. [19:12] He had his criticisms about Israel and [19:14] that was all part of our daily [19:15] conversations. But Charlie was was he [19:18] was not he was he was opposed to Jewish [19:22] donors who were he felt bullying him to [19:24] cancel people. That's what he was upset [19:26] about. It never affected his views of [19:30] Israel's actions or is or the conflict [19:33] with Israel. It didn't make him choose [19:34] the other side. It didn't make him [19:36] anti-Israel. [19:38] He was uncomfortable with Prime Minister [19:39] Netanyahu. So are like half of Israelis. [19:42] Uh and he he had his criticisms for [19:44] Israel, but it was mainly a criticism of [19:47] of the Israel the Israel wing that would [19:52] number one attack him for platforming [19:54] Tucker when he's out there on college [19:56] campuses defending Israel all the time. [19:58] And he did. People didn't know how often [20:00] he got asked questions about Israel. So [20:01] that infuriated him. And at the same [20:04] time he you know he he uh you know he [20:07] had again he was not going to back down [20:10] off uh off of platforming people. Uh so [20:13] he didn't want to cancel Tucker Carlson. [20:15] These Jewish donors were not [20:17] blackmailing him. They just basically [20:18] said we don't want to fund something we [20:19] don't believe in. And if you're going to [20:21] if you're going to platform prominent [20:22] speakers who are against our interests [20:24] we're you know we're out of here. So [20:26] that's what that conversation was about. [20:28] Charlie was upset about it. It's true. [20:29] And I have to say that earlier in the [20:30] day when Charlie sent out that text [20:32] message saying, you know, I'm done with [20:34] the pro-Israel movement. I'm going to [20:35] invite Candace back, you know, because [20:36] this Jewish donor pulled out, from my [20:39] perspective, I remember reading the text [20:41] thinking to myself, oh, I I wonder if [20:43] he's going to cancel our Zoom meeting [20:45] tonight. Because again, this Zoom [20:46] meeting to talk about Israel the night [20:48] before his campus tour was on the [20:49] schedule for weeks. They had given me [20:51] all the most, you know, they had given [20:53] me all the questions to prepare and I [20:54] was getting ready for this meeting that [20:56] I was going to have. Um, and I was I I [20:58] thought, okay, maybe maybe he's serious. [21:00] Maybe he's abandoning the pro-Israel [21:02] cause and and uh and we're g we're not [21:03] even going to have our meeting. But he [21:05] wanted to have the meeting anyway. [21:07] Uh he wanted to have the meeting anyway. [21:09] And um uh and uh yeah, so we had this [21:13] meeting. Now, here is the thing that I I [21:16] said at the beginning that I'll really [21:17] point out the big problem with this [21:19] whole theory of Candace's. So, [21:22] what Cand, you know, Candace is a master [21:25] of walking up to the line and not saying [21:28] the next thing, but allowing you to, you [21:30] know, to take the hint. Uh, it's very [21:32] smart. She's uh she's sharp. And there's [21:36] this implication here that I had [21:38] something to do with his murder, that [21:40] maybe I'm I'm kind of some sort of [21:41] Israeli agent. And in fact, there are [21:44] some uh conspiracy theorists on the [21:46] right who have jumped on this and [21:48] they've even referred to me as a Mossad [21:51] agent, right? Charlie Kirk's handler, [21:54] Israeli agent, Rabbi Pesa Huliki. And [21:56] this is all based on the fact that we [21:57] had this Zoom call the night before. But [21:58] what's the problem? The problem is that [22:01] if I'm, you know, if if that's if that's [22:04] what makes me a Mossad agent, then I'm [22:06] the dumbest Mossad agent in the world. [22:09] Why? Well, how does everyone know that [22:12] this Zoom call took place? How does [22:14] everyone know about it? How does anyone [22:15] know about it? You know how there's only [22:18] one way. [22:20] I told everyone about it. The only [22:24] source, none, first of all, no, no one [22:26] else other than me and Josh Hammer have [22:28] ever said publicly that we were on this [22:30] Zoom call. And after Charlie was killed, [22:35] I gave an interview to the New York [22:37] Post. Okay, here's the interview I gave [22:39] to the New York Post. It's up here on [22:41] the screen right now. Here, this is a [22:43] story in the New York Post from a couple [22:45] days after Charlie was killed. Charlie [22:46] Kirk and Rabbi Pal talked hours before [22:48] his death. Okay? And there's a picture [22:51] of me and Charlie. And there's Jack [22:52] Bobic in the background. And that's a [22:54] picture taken a few years ago when I [22:56] first met Charlie. Uh and and I talked [23:01] about this Zoom call and what it was and [23:03] what it was about. Josh at that point [23:05] had never said anything about the Zoom [23:06] call. And in fact, before I gave the [23:08] interview to the New York Post, I [23:09] consulted with Josh to make sure that [23:11] he'd be okay with me mentioning this [23:13] Zoom call and uh and he, you know, he [23:16] said, "Fine, go ahead." So, I told the [23:18] world about this Zoom call, that's the [23:20] only way anyone knows this Zoom call [23:22] existed. Okay. So, if I had something to [23:25] do [23:27] with the death of Charlie Kirk, why on [23:30] earth, like, if Candace's story is [23:32] right, that, oh, the call didn't go well [23:35] and then the next day he was dead, and [23:36] you know, why on earth after his death [23:39] would I tell the world that I had a Zoom [23:42] call with Charlie Kirk the night before [23:43] he was killed? That would be the dumbest [23:44] thing I could do. I should be fired if I [23:47] if I'm if I was some sort of agent. [23:49] there'd be no incentive whatsoever for [23:51] me to publicize the fact that that Zoom [23:52] call took place after Charlie was killed [23:55] and there were already some crazy people [23:56] on the right saying that Israel was [23:58] involved in it. It would be the a very [23:59] dumb thing to do. Um and uh and it was [24:02] only after that that Josh also started [24:04] talking about the Zoom call. Anyway, so [24:07] this look sometimes things are actually [24:10] what they seem. You know, uh I had a [24:12] relationship with Charlie Kirk. I was [24:14] doing what I do for a living, which is [24:17] I'm uh I'm I'm a I'm an expert on [24:22] Israeli political issues. That's what I [24:25] do. I'm a I I write, like I said, I [24:27] write regularly for the papers. I appear [24:28] in media all over the place. I have have [24:32] also been involved with the MAGA [24:33] movement uh at at a pretty high level [24:36] since the beginning. And uh I know a lot [24:39] of people in the movement and that's why [24:40] I had a relationship with him. And these [24:42] are all things that Candace could have [24:43] known. And so instead of just saying, [24:44] "See what she does in her podcast." She [24:46] said, "Oh, this is some rabbi in Israel [24:48] as though I'm some obscure person that [24:50] no one's ever heard of." Again, I'm not [24:51] the most famous person in the world, but [24:52] just Google me or ask around. People [24:55] around her knew who I was. Charlie knew [24:56] who I was. Steve Bannon knows who I am. [24:58] Or, you know, you know, we work closely [25:00] together. [25:02] I'm a regular on a show. Like, she could [25:04] have she could have figured out very [25:05] easily that I write in the Jerusalem [25:06] Post about politics multiple times a [25:08] month and that I appear on shows in the [25:11] America First Movement all the time. She [25:13] could have known this easily. Maybe she [25:15] does know it, maybe she doesn't. But to [25:17] She paints it as though there's [25:18] something nefarious about this obscure [25:21] dark figure, this rabbi who he met with [25:23] the night before. Again, the only way [25:24] anyone knows that I met with him the [25:26] night before is because I told everyone [25:27] that I met with him the night before. I [25:29] gave that interview to the New York [25:30] Post. So, this is it's all ridiculous. [25:34] Um, and but it it serves her purposes, [25:36] you know, inventing inventing stories [25:38] about Israel. Candace Owens, even this [25:41] video I'm making now, she's so famous [25:43] right now and she's so prominent right [25:44] now, mainly ever since she turned [25:47] against the Jews and turned against [25:48] Israel. It's good for business to uh, [25:50] you know, to attack Jews and to attack [25:52] Israel. So, listen, I I I'd be more than [25:55] happy to uh, you know, to talk to [25:57] anyone. If anyone wants to talk to me [25:58] further about this issue, I'll make [26:00] myself available. But I just felt like, [26:02] you know, she's talked about me a number [26:03] of times and I have never said anything [26:05] about it and I figured I would finally [26:07] uh just, you know, put something out [26:08] there and and uh and just respond to [26:10] everything Candace has been saying. I [26:12] hope you've been you finding these [26:13] videos helpful. Please uh share this and [26:16] you know, share it around uh because uh [26:19] you know, we have to push back on all [26:20] these all this nonsense and all these [26:22] lies. God bless.
