Transcript [00:00] This Muslim wasn't ready for the young [00:02] Bob. It got incredibly uncomfortable. [00:05] Take a look. [00:06] >> A 9-year-old does not have enough years [00:08] on this earth to marry a 50-year-old. [00:10] >> That's subjective. [00:12] >> It's not subjective. It's objectively [00:14] true. If you go back to when you were It [00:16] absolutely is cuz there are certain [00:17] things that you don't have epistemic [00:19] access to at the age of 9 just simply [00:21] cuz you've only been here for 9 whole [00:23] years. [00:24] So, even if you reach puberty, even if [00:26] she was bleeding, right? It seems like [00:27] Muhammad's just going off if there's [00:29] grass on the pitch play ball sort of [00:30] standards. We can actually maybe we can [00:32] have a discussion about why you're [00:33] Muslim and that That might be [00:34] interesting if you've got a few a few a [00:36] few minutes. [00:37] So, so, can I ask you, why are you [00:38] Muslim? [00:40] >> I'm a Muslim, but I was born into it [00:42] initially. I believe everyone's born a [00:44] Muslim and then [00:46] cuz if you look at the That's sort of a [00:47] cult. [00:48] >> A what? [00:49] >> A sort of a cult. [00:50] >> I'm not born a Muslim. Let me explain [00:52] it. Like the etymology of the word [00:53] Muslim is just means submission to God, [00:55] so like [00:57] we believe that every [00:58] >> God? [00:59] >> The only God. [01:00] >> Yeah, which is your understanding of [01:02] God. [01:04] >> Regardless of whether there's many into [01:06] interpretations of God, there there's [01:08] going to like there's many [01:09] interpretations of Bob, but there's [01:11] still one Bob physically. [01:12] >> there are different idols, but then [01:14] there's one true God that really is. [01:15] >> ideas of God, but there's only one. [01:17] >> Huh? So, there's different idols that [01:19] people worship, but then there's one [01:21] true God, and that's what's in [01:22] contention here. But, I was never a [01:24] Muslim. I'm not. [01:26] I understand the reason why people claim [01:29] that when you're born you are a Muslim. [01:31] >> You don't understand it. [01:32] >> No, I understand it. I just think it's [01:33] nonsense. It assumes that [01:35] me believing in a creator means I [01:40] worship Allah, which I don't. [01:43] Cuz Allah is a particular explanation of [01:46] that one God that really exists. [01:49] Now, let's say [01:50] >> Is it that particular that feel like [01:51] most of his [01:53] most of the attributes that we assign to [01:55] Allah will be like necessary, like you [01:57] have to have them. [01:59] >> Absolutely, but it is a different God in [02:01] that he anoints different prophets. He [02:03] has a different book of revelation. [02:06] >> What do you mean by he anoints different [02:07] prophets? [02:08] >> I don't believe Muhammad's a true [02:09] prophet. [02:11] >> Is that the I'm pretty sure that's the [02:12] only one, like what else? Cuz you're [02:14] Christian, aren't you? [02:14] >> Because there's also as well very [02:16] different stories and different [02:18] theological claims behind the different [02:19] prophets, right? So, where you have for [02:22] the [02:22] >> when you were born, you weren't you [02:23] weren't thinking, oh, like about all the [02:26] prophets, like you're just a baby, like [02:27] you [02:28] Have you seen there's that [02:29] >> Again, it it assumes your God exists and [02:32] that is the God that I'm worshipping. [02:33] So, I'm not a Muslim. [02:35] >> Cuz No, I know you're not Muslim. [02:37] >> I believe in telekinesis. Cuz I [02:38] you know, I believe that, first of all, [02:41] babies, as much as they can trust in [02:43] God, [02:45] again, [02:46] the sort of claim that children of [02:47] Muslims are just not sympathetic to. But [02:49] why are you a Muslim now? [02:51] >> Well, when I was like a teenager, I [02:53] started to research it more, like [02:55] besides from obviously my upbringing. [02:58] But I feel like even if I was even if I [02:59] was born, I don't know, [03:02] even if I was a white man in Sweden, I'd [03:04] I'd hope that I'd still be able to like [03:06] have a good life. [03:08] >> Like a specific reason. That's just too [03:10] many like I can't really explain [03:12] >> dawah, tell me why I would be a Muslim. [03:14] Why should I be a Muslim? [03:18] >> Gives you [03:19] uh, [03:21] good framework for life and something to [03:23] fall back on when you're unsure. [03:26] >> Okay. [03:28] I don't want to sound rude here, but I'm [03:29] I'm going to go there. In terms of a [03:31] good way of life, I think as much as [03:33] Islam gives like generic [03:36] good pieces of advice that every single [03:38] piece of religious scripture does, [03:39] there's also some things I firmly [03:41] disagree with. I feel that at the [03:42] moment, it's fine. Just leave it. [03:45] So, for example, in the Middle East [03:47] and Muslim countries and also what you [03:49] see in the Quran and Hadith, [03:51] there's no formal age of consent. [03:52] >> Can I say something? [03:53] >> Go for it. [03:54] >> You know when you mention Muslim [03:55] countries, I don't think there's a [03:56] single Muslim country on like the planet [03:59] Earth right now. [03:59] >> but then you can look at the Hadiths in [04:01] the Quran and there's no formal age of [04:02] consent. You can have sex with children. [04:03] >> All right, so what age should it be? [04:05] >> What age should it be? It should be [04:06] class of bloom of loof. [04:08] >> What's that? Puberty? [04:10] >> Yeah, after puberty. So in the Christian [04:12] context that's between the ages of 16 [04:13] and 18. [04:14] >> Do we not believe that as well? [04:15] >> No, you don't. [04:16] >> We believe after puberty that's [04:17] >> No, you don't. [04:18] >> Yeah, we do. [04:18] >> No, you don't. Because if you read 65:4, [04:21] it speaks about the iddah, the waiting [04:23] period [04:24] for when people can remarry, and it [04:26] talks about those who have not yet [04:28] menstruated, which is people who have [04:30] not yet gone through puberty. Now, [04:32] famously, Aisha, the mother of the [04:33] believers, she was nine. [04:36] >> Well, yeah, you can hit puberty before [04:37] at nine. [04:38] >> So you think we can have you can have [04:39] sex with a nine-year-old? [04:41] >> No. Not now, cuz nine-year-olds today [04:43] are just like they're like they're like [04:44] kids. [04:45] >> Actually, funny fun fact, it's the [04:46] reverse. [04:47] >> What do you [04:48] >> Kids are going to puberty earlier today [04:50] because of the fast process foods they [04:52] eat, because of the environment as well. [04:54] All these things are drastically [04:55] changing in favor of women developing [04:56] puberty earlier. [04:58] Well, we have seen in places like Arabia [05:01] they would have developed puberty a bit [05:02] later. [05:03] >> So you don't think anyone in the past [05:05] has hit puberty at the age of nine? [05:07] >> Well, [05:07] >> Or at [05:08] >> think that puberty is the end all when [05:10] it comes to having sex. I still think [05:11] that a nine-year-old [05:14] compared to a 54-year-old, there is [05:16] drastic difference [05:17] >> today and a 50-year-old today are great. [05:19] >> and a nine-year-old can have a healthy [05:21] relationship without there being a [05:22] >> think you have a vast different power [05:24] dynamic without being considered a form [05:25] of rape as well. [05:27] >> I don't think a I don't think a [05:28] >> You're thinking in today's lens. [05:30] >> I agree with you in today's [05:31] >> But today's If we actually look at it, [05:32] today's standards are better. If you [05:34] wanted to argue for child marriage, [05:35] >> How would they be better? How would they [05:37] >> to argue for it. They didn't even have [05:38] the concept of like teenagehood or like [05:40] childhood. They literally just were [05:42] children straight to adults back in the [05:44] day. Nowadays, they give kids iPads, da [05:46] da da, like the the age of maturity is [05:49] so down. [05:50] >> cuz Aisha was still playing with dolls [05:52] at the time of the marriage of the [05:53] prophet, which is actually a sign in [05:54] Arabic society she wasn't developed. [05:57] >> How is it? Where have you got that from? [05:58] I'm 21, I still play Xbox. What does [06:00] that like it doesn't mean anything. [06:01] >> We're going back centuries and centuries [06:03] ago where playing dolls was a symbol [06:06] that you were were yet a woman. You [06:08] haven't read [06:08] >> It wasn't. Where where have you got that [06:10] from? [06:10] >> You read the Hadith. Both corpuses talk [06:13] about Aisha the mother of the believers. [06:15] And what you see is that she was still [06:16] playing with dolls. She actually had a [06:17] terrible diet [06:18] cuz they were incredibly poor at the [06:20] time. [06:21] >> So I swear you just said earlier that [06:23] means you hit puberty earlier. [06:25] >> No so diet does play into the [06:27] environmental conditions for having [06:29] early puberty. And because she wasn't [06:30] eating enough, she would be [06:31] underdeveloped and hit puberty later. [06:34] And the food that we eat is the fast [06:36] processed foods that we currently eat [06:38] actually set puberty earlier. So if you [06:40] wanted to make an argument which is [06:41] despicable for child marriage, the best [06:43] day to do it is today because [06:45] >> This is [06:45] >> centuries centuries ago [06:47] >> This is just it's just not though. [06:48] >> It is. The Quran talks about marrying [06:50] people who have not yet reached puberty. [06:53] And Aisha herself was not yet at the age [06:56] of being pubescent. [06:57] >> So you're telling me 9-year-olds today [06:59] are more mentally and physically [07:02] developed, yes? [07:03] >> And even then the Quran does not believe [07:04] that that's a condition for [07:05] >> Compared to back in the day and the [07:06] harsh conditions they were living in. [07:08] >> Correct. [07:09] >> Well, that's just insane. How can I how [07:11] can you believe that? [07:12] >> if like let's say even if you're right [07:14] about her reaching puberty. I just don't [07:17] think a 9-year-old should marry a [07:18] 50-year-old. [07:19] >> Yeah, today today I don't I agree [07:21] >> back then. Let's say she was slightly [07:23] more matured. But how how mature can you [07:25] have with 9 years on experience of this [07:28] earth? I'm 18, I still make stupid [07:30] decisions, right? [07:31] A 9-year-old does not have enough years [07:34] on this earth to marry a 50-year-old. [07:36] >> That's subjective. [07:37] >> It's not subjective. It's objectively [07:39] true. If you go back to when you were it [07:41] absolutely is cuz there are certain [07:43] things that you don't have epistemic [07:44] access to at the age of nine just simply [07:46] cuz you've only been here for nine whole [07:48] years. [07:50] So even if you reach puberty, even if [07:51] she was bleeding, right? It seems like [07:53] Muhammad's just going off if there's [07:54] grass on the pitch play ball sort of [07:56] standards. She's not developed enough [07:58] and she he's too old for that power [08:00] dynamic to be [08:01] >> Do you know what the Do you know what [08:02] the age of consent in the in England was [08:04] like 200 years ago? [08:06] >> Tell me. [08:07] >> I'm not sure. I'm asking you. [08:08] >> Uh so [08:10] in the medieval era it'd been around age [08:12] of the church between 16 and 18. [08:14] >> Is 16 and 18 200 years ago? [08:15] >> Yeah. [08:16] >> What about the US? [08:17] >> Uh the US different states they have [08:19] Romeo and Juliet laws so they have like [08:21] sort of laws on um [08:23] how old they can be apart. [08:25] >> What about different countries now like [08:26] Nigeria? [08:28] India. [08:29] >> Yeah, Nigeria's like age of consent laws [08:30] is 12 but then I don't really think [08:32] Nigeria's my my moral standard there. I [08:35] don't like the fact that, you know, Boko [08:36] Haram are going around massacring [08:38] Christians. [08:38] >> My point is is that in the past the age [08:40] of consent was just lower and why do you [08:42] think that was? [08:43] >> Because we were [08:45] less kind, less moral, uh less [08:48] scientific [08:48] >> that even mean? What? [08:49] >> Well, cuz we we we cared less about our [08:51] morality. We also understood less in [08:54] science so we we don't understand we [08:55] don't understand that if a child got [08:56] pregnant it would kill them. You know [08:58] also as social standing. So for a fully [09:00] grown man to have a child who's [09:03] considered more pure, less tainted of [09:05] this world, it would have been seen as [09:07] them being a bit more richer, a bit more [09:08] aristocratic, a bit more class. [09:11] So we just lived in a very perverted, [09:13] hyper degenerate society. [09:14] >> was just pure for back in the day. [09:16] >> I mean, yeah, pretty much. [09:19] >> Do you not think that Do you not think [09:20] that's silly though? Like [09:22] >> Yeah, I can I can admit that people who [09:24] had sex with children back in the day [09:27] were morally reprehensible and wrong in [09:28] doing that. [09:29] >> So loads of people then. Literally [09:31] everyone everyone [09:33] Everyone who had Everyone who had sex [09:35] before [09:35] >> is you're you're part you're appealing [09:37] to relativism when relativism only works [09:39] when you have a subjective standard [09:41] which is yourself besides an objective [09:43] standard which is God and I believe that [09:45] God who's ordered [09:46] >> We do have an objective standard. [09:47] >> Yeah, I do and you know even through [09:49] nature we can look at God has ordered [09:52] creation, right? [09:54] If we can we look at that God has [09:56] ordered creation. [09:58] We can see that a child if he had if she [10:00] has sex and has a child [10:02] she will be put in intensive care and [10:04] she could be possibly die cuz her hips [10:05] aren't wide enough. She isn't developed [10:07] enough to have children, right? [10:09] >> Yeah. [10:09] >> For me that indicates [10:11] that if God orders everything then he [10:14] has clearly made women not to yet have [10:17] sex and be married at a certain point [10:19] within its developmental cycle. [10:22] >> Yeah, I know. I agree. [10:23] >> Yes, so don't have sex with children. [10:26] >> Yeah, I agree with that as well. [10:28] >> Then you should disagree with the [10:29] prophet. [10:30] >> Why? [10:30] >> Cuz he married [10:31] >> definition of a child? [10:34] Uh pre-pubescent. [10:35] >> Valid, yeah. [10:35] >> Yeah, pre-pubescent. Someone who's not [10:36] yet entered motherhood. [10:39] >> That's not what a definition of a child [10:40] is. [10:41] >> Well, child is someone's offspring. [10:44] It's a very like colloquial term. [10:47] >> What what makes you a child and not an [10:48] adult? [10:49] >> Again, it varies society to society but [10:52] most of the time it's past the bloom of [10:53] youth so it's like 16 to 18. [10:57] >> All right, but [10:57] >> the age of your [10:58] >> So everyone [11:00] Uh nice talking to you. [11:01] >> No, chill. [11:02] >> All right. [11:03] >> All right, okay. [11:06] How you doing, chaps? [11:08] >> The moment he realized he was in trouble [11:10] and indeed outmatched in this debate. [11:13] Great job by the young Bob and you know, [11:16] I don't even know why this is a topic. [11:18] It brilliant. We should be arguing child [11:20] marriage now. That is [11:22] what we should be doing. I mean, you [11:24] know, kudos to young Bob again for doing [11:26] this but [11:27] why? Why are these people in our [11:30] country? Why are the people that have [11:32] these views allowed to be in Western [11:35] society? No. No child marriage, not [11:38] good, not allowed, illegal, very bad, [11:41] illegal for a good reason. [11:44] And no, no, no. I I don't think [11:47] people that believe that child marriage [11:49] is a normal thing should be allowed in [11:52] America. [11:53] Sorry, like I don't think they have a [11:55] net positive to American society if you [11:58] believe that children [12:00] can get married and [12:02] you know, obviously all the things that [12:03] go along with that as well. Have [12:05] children, etc. I mean, children [12:07] shouldn't have children. Not so crazy. [12:09] Thank you for watching and I'll see you [12:11] in the next one. [12:13] >> [music] [12:20] >> They voted in Hamas knowing what Hamas [12:22] are. [12:22] >> Hamas gave no warning before they [12:24] slaughtered 1,300 women and children. [12:26] >> October 7th has [music] happened. [12:34] >> [music] [12:38] >> Okay. [12:39] >> Kill the Jew. [12:41] >> Killing Jews with Israel. 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