Transcript [00:00] I just met a viewer of mine from [00:01] Ukraine. He was a sweetheart. [00:04] >> Sweetheart. Hey yo. [00:06] >> Hey yo. Pause. Pause. Hey brother. [00:09] Pause. Pause. What are you [ __ ] gay? [00:12] >> What are you Why are you gay? You are [00:14] You are the gay one. I think [00:15] >> Why are you gay? [00:16] >> Why are you are gay? I say you are gay. [00:19] No, you are gay. [00:21] >> I can never be gay. [00:22] >> So who is gay? [00:24] >> Obviously you, bro. You're calling [00:26] Mandam sweetheart. And I love [00:27] >> Mandom. I love Mandom, bro. I love you [00:29] too, bro. [00:30] >> No, you don't. [00:31] >> I know. For real, I do. Where are you [00:33] from? You Jamaican. [00:35] >> Possibly. [00:36] >> But actually, the people who say menum [00:38] and waguan doesn't mean they're Jamaican [00:40] anymore in in the UK, right? Everyone [00:42] says that now. Algeria. Is it Algerian? [00:46] >> That is. [00:47] >> You're from Algeria. [00:49] >> I'm not. [00:50] >> Bomb clat. Where are you from, bro? [00:52] >> Blood cl. I actually am Jamaican. [00:54] >> You are Jamaican? [00:56] >> Yeah, man. [00:56] >> God damn. I'm good. God damn. [00:59] >> That's crazy. I don't like that. [01:01] >> Cuz you my people, bro. You my people. [01:03] >> Why are you Are you [01:04] >> I'm Israeli. [01:08] >> I believe Jamaicans are part of the [01:09] nation of Israel, bro. You guys need You [01:11] guys need to come back home. I want you [01:12] guys here. [01:13] >> You're Israeli. [01:14] >> I'm Israeli and I believe you're part of [01:16] my people and I want you to come back [01:17] home. [01:19] >> Why the hell am I part of your people? [01:21] >> Bro, the Jamaicans are obviously [01:22] Israelites, bro. Bob Marley saying about [01:24] it all the time, bro. [01:26] Yeah, but it's not that type of Israel. [01:29] It's not modern day Israel. [01:31] >> It is. Of course it is, bro. [01:32] >> No, no. It's about the Israelites. [01:34] >> I'm We're part of the same tribe, bro. [01:36] Part of the same family. [01:39] Look at you. Look at me. We don't look [01:40] that different. [01:43] >> Yes, we [01:44] >> don't look that different. In reality, [01:45] we really don't look that different. [01:47] >> Really? You think so, [01:49] >> bro? White people are going to say this [01:50] is the same. You know, they're going to [01:51] see us as sand ninjas. [01:52] >> Yeah, they're just racist. [laughter] [01:54] That's [01:55] that's not good metric at all, bro. [01:57] >> Yeah. Like come back home, bro. I'll [01:58] make you oxtail. Come over here. [02:00] >> Okay. [laughter] Fair. That's all. Where [02:02] do you come though? Where's your What [02:04] ethnically? [02:04] >> So my I have family who came from Iraq, [02:07] Turkey, and Iran. But you know, it's [02:09] very close. [02:10] >> Makes more sense. [02:11] >> It's right here, bro. It's two It's like [02:13] a couple thousand kilometers away. It's [02:15] really close. [02:17] But you know, Levan and like [02:20] Mesopotamian regions, they are they like [02:23] you can see and you can distinguish. [02:25] >> They're really not. [02:25] >> I can personally. I can. [02:27] >> They're really not. It's such a mix, [02:29] bro. Nobody in Turkey looks the same. [02:30] Nobody in Lebanon looks the same. No [02:32] one. [02:32] >> No, they don't. No, they don't. But in [02:34] Israel, like when I think of an Israeli, [02:37] >> like I know obviously you have Safari [02:39] Jews, etc. But when I think of an [02:41] Israeli, not a Jew, an Israeli, I think [02:44] of a specific type of person. [02:46] >> Think of Ashkenazi, [02:48] >> most of the time. That's what I Yeah. [02:50] >> But the funny thing is that's not the [02:52] case. [02:52] >> Most of them are Mizrai like me. Most of [02:54] the Israelis are Mizrai. Over 70%. [02:57] >> Oh, really? [02:57] >> Over 70% of Mizrai are Ethiopian. [03:00] >> Every Israeli I meet on here, like all [03:02] of them are Ashkanazi basically. [03:04] >> Cuz you're you're not you're meeting [03:05] like ones who can speak English [03:06] probably. who like it just happens to be [03:08] a lot of [03:09] >> happens to be that a lot of them are [03:10] Ashkanazi right now but I'm working on [03:12] getting more more of the Misrais out [03:14] here [laughter] [03:16] >> now that's fair enough man I see um [03:19] obviously you have the tags [03:21] >> I think I I feel like I I've seen you [03:23] before I don't know if it's on here are [03:25] you a YouTuber [03:26] >> yeah I'm on I'm on everything I'm pretty [03:27] big too so you might [03:29] >> have seen you on YouTube I might have [03:31] seen you on YouTube what's your name bro [03:33] >> Tal Oran or the traveling clat [03:36] Hold on. I'm just Can I just quickly [03:38] type [03:38] >> the traveling bomb clad? [03:41] >> Don't ever say that again. Um. [03:44] [laughter] [03:45] >> Oh sh Wait, your name's actually the [03:47] traveling club. [03:47] >> Bro, I low key want to adopt you. I feel [03:49] like you're my like my little Jamaican [03:51] brother, [03:51] >> bro. I could Are you Bro, I could not be [03:53] adopted by some it like no offense to [03:56] you. No offense to you, but like I can't [03:59] be adopted by I know I already can tell. [04:02] Wait, hold on. I don't want to make a [04:03] judgment. Let me just see cuz it says [04:05] traveling. So maybe let me see if you're [04:07] political. [04:07] >> I am political now, but I used to be I [04:09] used to be a travel vlogger. [04:11] >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. [laughter] [04:13] Stop. Your first the first three things [04:16] I see. [clears throat] [04:18] Hijabi picks a fight. The Muslim world [04:21] has no idea who they're messing with. [04:23] Watch Muslim women's face get scared. [04:26] Like, [sighs] [04:28] >> yeah, I'll be fair with you. I'll be [04:29] fair. I'll be I'll let me be Let me be [04:31] fair with you. Let me be fair with you. [04:32] often like I don't I don't title these [04:36] videos. I have a team who manages [04:37] everything and they know how to get [04:39] people to my channel. But if you [04:41] actually watch the content, I'm really [04:43] not anti I'm not I'm not anti-Islam at [04:46] all. I don't hate Arabs or Muslims. [04:48] >> I do pick on Pakistanis quite a bit, but [04:51] everyone else, especially if they're [04:52] black, I got a soft spot in my heart for [04:55] Africans. I I give them a free pass on [04:57] almost everything. They could be doing [04:59] the most They could be doing the most [05:00] [ __ ] up [ __ ] and if they're African, [05:02] I'm like, "Ah, let them slide. They're [05:04] nice. [laughter] [05:06] >> This guy, bro, [05:07] >> I I'm not I'm not a piece of [ __ ] but [05:09] the titles I understand what you're [05:11] saying. The titles don't look good." I [05:12] wish there was a different way to do it, [05:13] but there isn't. [05:14] >> There is a different way of [05:16] >> They don't click, bro. I've been on [05:17] YouTube for I've been on YouTube for 12 [05:19] years. I can tell you these people who [05:21] manage my channel, they have it done [05:22] with science. [05:23] >> Algorithm get the views and monetize. [05:25] Yes, I agree. But is that at the [05:27] sacrifice of, you know, some sort of [05:30] moral? [05:32] >> It's not. It's not really because if you [05:34] click on the actual content and you [05:35] watch it, you see that I'm very balanced [05:37] and I'm super like I'm fun and I give [05:40] people an equal chance. If you click [05:43] >> all of it has every single video has [05:45] Muslim in it. Like literally. [05:47] >> Yeah, we we talk about Islam a lot on [05:49] the channel. But again, I [05:50] >> Why? Uh because we're one of the biggest [05:53] topics that we're covering right now is [05:54] what's going on with Muslims in Europe, [05:56] specifically with Islamists in Europe. [05:58] And as somebody whose family was [05:59] actually ethnically cleansed by Muslims, [06:01] we talk about it often. Like I have a [06:03] lot of personal conjecture that I can [06:05] put into the content. [06:06] >> Oh, wait. Are you Was that I don't [06:08] Sorry, forgive me if I'm wrong. Are you [06:11] I don't think you were trying to like [06:12] say Muslims are ethnically cleansing in [06:14] Europe, but like you just brought it up [06:16] in the same breath. So is that just to [06:17] clarify, you're not saying that they're [06:19] ethnically cleansing? Are you just like [06:20] alluding towards? [06:22] >> No, they're not. They're not ethically [06:23] cleansing, but I see a lot of parallels [06:25] about what my family went through in [06:26] Iraq and what's happening right now in [06:29] Europe. There's a lot of parallels. [06:30] Like, we saw it already happen in [06:32] Lebanon, and I don't think I don't think [06:34] Europe is too far away from what might [06:36] be able to happen. [06:37] >> Am I am I uh would I be crazy to say [06:40] that the um Israelis ethnically cleanse [06:43] Palestinians? [06:44] >> Let's look at it, shall we? [06:48] >> What do you want to look at? How many [06:49] Palestinians lived here in 1948? [06:53] >> Um, [06:54] >> between the river to the sea, that is. [06:56] Yeah. [06:57] >> Over a million. [06:58] >> Over a million. Correct. And then after [07:00] the Nakba or the War of Independence, [07:02] however you look at it, [07:04] >> 150 stayed. 150,000 stayed. [07:06] >> It was It was 700,000 that stayed. [07:09] >> It was 750,000 that were displaced. [07:11] >> Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, it was 300,000 that [07:13] was left. Correct. It was 300,000. [07:16] >> I can't lie. I've got 150,000. [07:18] >> Okay. It will even it does it doesn't [07:20] make the case better though if you say [07:21] 100. I want I'm trying to give you [07:23] >> We need to half that though. We need to [07:25] half it though. That is a lot of people. [07:27] >> Half 150,000. [07:29] >> No, no. I'm saying we need to half the [07:30] 300,000 you're saying to get 150,000. [07:33] >> Yeah, it is 300,000. But if we can go [07:36] with 150,000 if you want. [07:37] >> I can fact check that right now. [07:39] >> Sure. Check it. [07:40] >> Yeah. [07:40] >> Okay. So, how [07:41] >> if we if we sit here and fact check it [07:43] back and forth, it's going to take [07:44] forever. But I'll give you the lowest [07:45] number. I don't mind. Like it actually [07:46] helps my what I'm about to say. Anyway, [07:48] so I'm fine with it. Um, [07:49] >> okay. What were you about to say whilst [07:50] I'm googling? So, what were you about to [07:52] say? [07:52] >> After the war, [07:53] >> 15,000. There you go. [07:55] >> 150,000 were left. [07:57] >> Yeah. [07:58] >> Remain inside the borders of new. [08:01] >> No, no, that you're looking at this [08:03] wrong. I'm talking about from the river [08:04] to the sea. The established state of [08:06] Israel wasn't the river to the sea. [08:08] >> Oh, you're talking about the [08:09] >> the entire population of Palestine. [08:11] >> Sorry, I was talking within the [08:13] >> So, look, the entire population of [08:14] Palestine was about a million. Then [08:16] 700,000 were either displaced or or some [08:19] died. We were left with about 300,000 [08:22] between the river to the sea. [08:25] >> Okay. [08:25] >> Today, [08:26] >> you were you in not in control, but were [08:29] you Well, you were in control because [08:30] you placed them under martial law. [08:32] >> No, no, you were in control. The British [08:34] were in control. [laughter] [08:36] >> No, no, no. The British left. The [08:37] British left before. That's why you [08:39] >> in 1948. [08:41] In 1948, it was just just after British [08:44] rule. just after but the entire time [08:47] that the population [08:48] >> by then is what I'm saying. [08:49] >> Yes. By then by 1948 there was the war [08:51] of independence. The Arabs had attacked [08:52] the newly formed state of Israel. [08:55] >> I mean after you'd committed planned dal [08:58] and committed the day massacre and [09:00] poisoned their wells and etc. [09:02] >> And after they committed the Hebrron [09:04] massacre and the Yafa massacre and the [09:05] saf. [09:09] >> Okay. So that that that would [09:11] >> Oh, so we just we pretend that it didn't [09:12] happen. [09:12] >> No, no, no, no, no. But we were very [09:14] spec. You said about the British rule [09:16] and how they left. [09:17] >> Okay. [09:18] >> The British were there. Okay. So, what [09:19] I'm saying is I thought we were sticking [09:21] with that timeline and you've gone back [09:22] to 1929. [09:25] >> I don't understand. [09:28] >> Okay. [clears throat] [09:29] You said we were said you said [09:30] >> we were we were establishing the [09:32] ethnically cleansing. Should we go back [09:33] to that? [09:34] >> You literally said let's you said the [09:35] words let's go back to 1948. That's [09:38] literally what you said, right? That's [09:39] literally what you said. [09:40] >> I said let's go back to it. [09:42] >> Okay. [09:42] >> I then brought up Yeah. Right. You then [09:44] said, "Oh, the Arabs attacked the Jews." [09:47] >> Correct. [09:48] >> Yeah, the Arabs attacked you. Yeah. I [09:49] said, "But before that, you you [09:52] committed." [09:52] >> Ah, you're saying that the Arabs [09:53] attacked the Jews because of the Darius [09:55] massacre. [09:56] >> No, no, no. I'm not saying because I'm [09:58] saying the Arab armies didn't get [09:59] involved until after the planned dal [10:02] most of planned Dalai had been carried [10:04] out such as Dein and there's a couple [10:06] other Sab and Chhatil. You're talking [10:08] about that [10:08] >> and then the poisoning of wells that you [10:10] poison. You're saying that's why the [10:12] panarabra armies attacked Israel or they [10:14] only did it happens to be that they did [10:16] it after. [10:16] >> I think that's pretty I think that would [10:17] be a pretty big reason of why that [10:19] happened. Obviously because you [10:20] established the state like that's [10:22] >> that's the actual reason that's the [10:23] reason that they [10:24] >> No, no, but hold on. No, no, no. But we [10:26] genuinely cannot ignore the poisoning of [10:28] wells and de and just [10:30] >> But wait, can we ignore Can we ignore [10:32] the massacres that they committed [10:33] against us and the ethnic cleansing? [10:35] >> Absolutely not. [10:37] >> Okay. So then you you understand it's [10:38] not just like a massacre or you know [10:42] ethnic cleansing in a vacuum. You [10:44] acknowledge that they were also injust. [10:46] >> Okay. So you would so we could both [10:48] acknowledge that you ethnically cleansed [10:50] them though. We could acknowledge not [10:51] you. Sorry. Obviously not you, but the [10:52] Israelis ethnically cleansed the [10:54] Palestinians. [10:54] >> Well, that's what we're trying to [10:55] establish right now. [10:57] >> Yeah. So can we can we both agree on [10:59] that that happened? [11:00] >> We haven't even established it yet. [11:01] You're we're we're saying we're saying [11:03] that there were a million Palestinians [11:06] >> and then we were down to 300,000 [11:08] >> and you got rent no okay [11:10] >> or 150,000 [11:12] >> within the borders that you secured and [11:14] committed plan Delhi on there was [11:16] 150,000 [11:16] >> okay so 150,000 between between the [11:19] river to the sea today in their [11:21] ancestral [11:22] >> those 150 sorry let me just say [11:24] something within those reason why I'm [11:25] saying ethnic cleansing is even within [11:27] those 150,000 that stayed [11:29] >> okay [11:30] >> absentee property law 1950 stripped them [11:32] of all their properties meant none of [11:34] them c none of them saved any of their [11:36] properties at all [11:38] >> that's what the law I'll Google the law [11:40] 1950 [11:40] >> so no no Palestinians remained in their [11:42] homes at all none of them [11:43] >> ex okay out of 150,000 maybe a [11:47] percentage but from the law made it so [11:50] that was the case but I'll I'll Google [11:51] it for you okay 1950 [11:53] >> it's okay you don't you don't have to [11:54] keep factecking everything it's going to [11:56] take a really long time if you keep [11:57] doing that [11:57] >> of course of course we need to fact [11:58] check stuff when we're talking about [11:59] something as as as such as ethnic [12:01] cleansing. [12:02] >> Um, [12:05] >> yeah. No. Yeah. Well, it literally says [12:07] the pal the Palestinians. So, it applied [12:11] to anyone who was a citizen or resident [12:14] of Palestine who left their normal place [12:16] of res residence after November 29th, [12:19] 1947. [12:20] >> Okay. So, you you were making that point [12:22] >> and went to areas outside Israel as [12:25] well, it says. [12:26] >> Okay. So you're making that point to say [12:27] that [12:29] that that's a that's a law that ensures [12:31] ethnic cleansing because it means that [12:33] they cannot return to their homes. [12:34] >> Yet 78 years later, what's the [12:38] population now between the river? [12:39] >> Yeah. Yeah. So you can ethnically [12:40] cleanse a place and then over time it [12:43] can they can repopulate [12:46] etc. And obviously what [12:50] >> what [12:52] >> So you wait I Okay. So, I I just I'm [12:55] trying I'm trying to understand the [12:56] logic. Wait, before you cut me off, one [12:58] second. One second. Let's get one [12:59] streamline thought here real quick [13:01] before you cut me off again. [13:02] >> We go from a million Palestinians [13:06] to 300,000 or 150,000. Which number do [13:08] you want? [13:10] >> 150,000. [13:11] >> 150,000. 78 years later, [13:14] >> 78 years later, after set ethnic [13:16] cleansing, [13:19] >> they the population has risen to six [13:22] million between the river and the sea. [13:23] almost seven. 2 million in the West [13:25] Bank, 2 million in Israel proper, 2 [13:27] million in Gaza. [13:29] That's that's what you would quantify as [13:31] an ethnic cleansing. [13:33] >> No, no. I'm not talking about today. [13:35] We're talking about the [13:36] >> But so so they only got ethnically [13:38] cleansed once and then they were allowed [13:39] to pop their population to grow. [13:42] >> No, no, no, no, no, no. Obviously, I [13:44] just that's why I brought up the 1915 [13:46] absentee property law because that [13:48] ensured that they couldn't come like the [13:51] that the people who had left the 750,000 [13:54] couldn't come back to their homes. [13:56] >> No, but Habibi, I'm I'm trying to [13:58] understand I'm trying to understand [13:59] this. Palestinians are an ethnicity, [14:02] correct? [14:04] >> Yes, [14:04] >> they are an ethnicity. [14:05] >> No, no, no. Palestinians aren't an [14:07] ethnicity. [14:07] >> They're a nationality. [14:09] >> Yeah. [14:10] >> What's the ethnicity that they hold? [14:12] I would say they're an ethnogenesis of [14:15] Arabs and former like their ancestry is [14:18] a Canaan Canaan basically Canaanites. [14:20] >> Okay. So they're ethnicity is [14:21] >> Canaanite then obviously Arabs move to [14:24] the area. [14:25] >> So so their ethnicity is Canaanite. [14:27] >> Then you have a crossover. It's I'd say [14:28] it's similar to like Ashkanazi Jewish [14:31] like they may have been within like the [14:33] country that they're in. They were [14:34] German nationality but they were still [14:36] Jews, right? So the same way that the [14:39] Palestinians [14:40] like obviously I'm I'm well aware of the [14:42] semantics of Palestine and that it [14:44] wasn't really pushed as like a national [14:46] identity until um political Zionism was [14:49] pushed and it was like kind of a [14:51] reprisal of like the Arab like identity [14:53] to make a nationalized state. I'm I'm [14:55] well aware of the semantics. What I'm [14:57] focusing on though is the blood and the [15:00] humans because we can once again I'm [15:02] from Jamaica right? So we were called [15:05] Zamaicans, [15:06] Zamakans with an X way before way before [15:10] Africans even got there and were even in [15:12] and taken there on on ships before we [15:14] even gained independence in the 50s. We [15:17] once again we were referred to as that [15:20] but we didn't claim our independence [15:23] didn't claim our independence until [15:25] after World War II. So what I like to [15:28] focus on is not what the British [15:29] colonial and once again the British were [15:31] here as well. Not what the colonial [15:33] powers give to people such as the names [15:36] but what is the blood and the ancestry [15:38] and their ancestry is Canaanite. They [15:41] share [15:42] >> on roughly 60 to 70% of their DNA with [15:45] Canaan Canaanites which means they're [15:48] indigenous through through ancestry. Um [15:51] but yeah I would say pal Palestinian is [15:52] more of like a national identity. Um, [15:55] even the flag was created by a British [15:57] guy, I'm pretty sure, as well. Um, and [15:59] there's a lot of British interference [16:00] there, which is you see all over the [16:02] world, which I really, by the way, I'm [16:04] anti-B British, like empire and [16:05] everything like that. Obviously, I'm [16:07] half Jamaican in it. So, um, [16:09] >> but yeah, my point is, sorry to keep [16:11] rambling, but let me just make this last [16:12] point just so you can clearly get what [16:13] I'm saying. [16:14] >> I know you're saying that now we have [16:16] millions here. [16:17] >> This is, this is not relevant. I'm not [16:18] saying that you are [16:20] continuously I mean although we have the [16:23] Gaza war going on which we can talk [16:25] about after but I'm saying I'm not [16:26] saying that you are continuously [16:28] purposely [16:29] simultaneously constantly ethnically [16:32] cleansing them all the way up to this [16:33] day. I'm saying that the acts of planned [16:36] dal in which you poisoned wells in [16:38] villages in which Palestinians had been [16:41] living in for generations so that they [16:43] couldn't return to their villages and [16:46] then even that's the 750,000 they were [16:48] definitely ethnically cleansed. I'm we [16:50] were talking about the 150,000 even then [16:53] even the ones that stayed were placed [16:55] under martial law I think until the six [16:58] day war 1967 I think I think even after [17:01] then it was still you know it wasn't [17:03] like full um citizenship but around then [17:07] it was when it became and then the 1950 [17:10] absentee property law and then even [17:12] today you have certain laws like the [17:13] Jewish basic law- which I think you [17:15] passed inh 2019 so it just you know when [17:20] I see things like that I think maybe [17:22] they it's not obviously as strict and as [17:24] punishable and things like that but you [17:27] then combine that with the Gaza war you [17:28] combine that with blockade land air se [17:33] what what do you think it looks like to [17:35] us brother that's all I'm going to say [17:36] >> I think I think uh I think I I have some [17:40] questions to see if you're a fairer [17:41] person like if you do everything fairly [17:44] so like the misrai Jewish nakba do you [17:46] consider that an ethnic cleansing [17:48] >> from the countries like the Arab [17:50] countries. [17:51] >> Yeah, [17:52] >> of course they were expelled from the [17:54] country though, [17:54] >> right? Almost a million. I think it's [17:56] over a million. I don't think a lot of [17:57] them were accounted for. [18:00] >> Absolutely. Ethnic cleansing. [18:01] >> Ethnic cleansing. [18:03] >> Of course. [18:03] >> Do you Do you consider it a genocide? [18:06] I I don't I would need to know the [18:08] intricacies on like and this [18:10] >> like tens of thousands were massacred in [18:12] a [18:13] >> and the intent there was to genuinely [18:15] destroy like the population then it's [18:18] I'm going to trust you obviously I would [18:19] need to do my research [18:21] do it yeah for sure [18:22] >> but from what you've just told me of [18:25] course that fits the uh criteria [18:27] >> and then I'm assuming by that virtue you [18:28] also think the war in Gaza is a genocide [18:30] as well [18:32] >> I think that it gets techy with the war [18:34] in Gaza because I do think you I think [18:37] you're I think look I'm going to I'm [18:39] going to be honest I think the Israeli [18:40] government are quite clever when it [18:41] comes to this. I think that they they [18:44] want to and I don't think that they take [18:46] the maximum precaution but they do [18:48] things like the little notices to like [18:51] kind of I feel like that's a I I don't [18:54] think they want to kill millions. [18:55] >> They're sneaky. Like they're sneaky. [18:56] They just want to kill them. [18:58] >> Yeah. Because I see double taps. I see [19:00] 2,000 pound how many 2,000 pound bombs [19:02] have you dropped on residential areas [19:05] and and refugee camps and hospitals and [19:08] I know that in some cases that Hamas do [19:12] embed and by guerrilla warfare tactics [19:14] like they're obviously going to have [19:16] tunnels. They're obviously going to [19:16] embed themselves in civilian areas. The [19:18] density means that they have to embed [19:20] themselves in civilian areas. It also [19:22] means that they can't they could never [19:24] build a military base. They can't even [19:26] build bomb shelters because of what goes [19:28] in and out of Gaza. Well, they have they [19:30] have an extravagant tunnel system that [19:32] was able to hold hostages and Hamas [19:35] soldiers underground. [19:36] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, a tunnel system is [19:37] different. Tunnel doesn't require [19:38] >> But why why weren't the people of Gaza [19:40] sheltering in the tunnel system? [19:42] >> Say that again. Say that again. [19:43] >> Why weren't any of the people from Gaza [19:45] sheltering in that tunnel system? [19:47] >> Don't you know that they're in the [19:49] tunnels and you bomb the tunnels, right? [19:50] You bomb the tunnels, don't you? [19:52] >> No, I'm saying the the residents of [19:54] Gaza. Why weren't they sheltering in the [19:56] tunnel system? Cuz I just said, you know [19:59] that you know that Hamas build tunnels [20:01] and you bomb the tunnels, don't you? [20:03] >> Yeah, but if the tunnels were protected [20:04] from the bombs, wouldn't it make sense [20:08] for [20:08] >> which they're not? That's one that's [20:10] >> Oh, they're not. So, not there's nowhere [20:11] safe in Gaza at all. [20:12] >> No, no, no. I didn't say there's nowhere [20:14] I mean, where where is safe in Gaza? [20:16] Actually, like genuine question. Where [20:17] is safe in Gaza? [20:18] >> I'm learning from I'm learning a lot [20:19] from you. I'm trying to learn. [20:20] >> Safe zones get bombed. [20:21] >> Huh? [20:21] >> Even refugee camps get bombed. [20:23] >> Everything gets bombed. I mean according [20:25] according to what what the the the [20:28] pictures are showing right now [20:29] everything got bombed 90% of Gaza has [20:31] been bombed. [20:32] >> Yeah. So where is safe there? So I I [20:35] genuinely don't know what your question [20:37] you're asking me. So I I mean I guess I [20:39] guess if I were to have to calculate it [20:40] like if I were to have to look at the [20:41] full picture I would say probably [20:44] starting a war in a 25 km strip with no [20:49] way out no way in no supporting army no [20:53] way to harbor shelter your civilians at [20:55] all no intention to either probably not [20:59] a smart idea [21:01] >> that's why I condemn Hamas actively [21:02] >> but but then my question for you is [21:04] because this all and I I've never gotten [21:06] an answer I've thousands of these [21:08] conversation never got an answer I'm [21:09] content with. What would you do if you [21:12] were Israel? How would you actually and [21:13] I want you to be intricate like how [21:15] would you you're you're giving the [21:18] impression that you were a military [21:19] expert. I'm not saying it sarcastically [21:21] and I I know that you're not and I'm not [21:23] saying it sarcastically, but I genuinely [21:25] am curious. [21:26] >> October 7th happens to you. You're in [21:29] London. [21:32] Let's say let's say Ireland does the [21:33] same attack on L I don't know Cornwall [21:37] or Wales I don't give a [ __ ] somewhere [21:41] they do the same attack with the same [21:43] numbers thousands are killed 200 are [21:46] taken hostages in Dublin right now [21:48] there's no army bases there's no way to [21:50] decipher who's a military combatant [21:53] who's a civilian [21:54] >> there is use AI use AI systems to do [21:57] that [21:57] >> don't don't say use AI be specific [22:00] >> don't Say use AI. What kind of AI do you [22:02] want us to use? [22:03] >> Lavender is one of them. [22:05] >> Specific. Be specific about how you want [22:06] us to use lavender. [22:07] >> Lavender. [22:08] >> Say spec. How How do you want to use it? [22:11] >> No, no, no. I'm not saying that's how I [22:12] use. I'm saying that's what the Israeli [22:14] government [22:14] >> No, no. I'm putting you I'm putting you [22:16] in the position right now. [22:18] >> Oh, so now it's my Okay. Sorry. No, no. [22:20] I The reason I just said that is because [22:21] I was saying you said there's no in your [22:23] sentence you said there's no way to tell [22:25] and I said you literally can tell [22:27] because you guys use AI to do that. So [22:29] I'm I'm so I'm giving you a scenario [22:30] right now. You're in Dublin. Okay. [22:32] >> Okay. So no but sorry I just do you [22:35] accept that the Israeli government do [22:37] that currently and that helps them [22:38] distinguish who's a terrorist [22:40] >> helps. I don't know if it can tell you [22:41] every single time in 100%. [22:42] >> No because it can't tell you everything. [22:44] Do you also accept that um you have a [22:46] software called where's daddy [22:48] >> that you use? [22:48] >> I don't know about where's daddy. [22:50] >> Okay that's fair enough. I I saw [22:52] Lavender and Where's Daddy in the same [22:54] article and they were both referenced [22:55] and both claimed. [22:56] >> So just to get back to the to the [22:59] scenario. [23:00] >> Yeah, but you made a judge. I'm sorry. I [23:02] don't want to be pedanic, but you did [23:03] make a claim that's wrong. So, I had to [23:05] >> I didn't make a claim. I was giving you [23:06] a scenario of a hypothetical scenario. I [23:08] didn't I wasn't making a claim. [23:09] >> Scenario. [23:10] >> Oh, well then why would you give me a [23:11] scenario that doesn't match reality? [23:13] You've got to give me the same scenario [23:14] that the Israelis were faced with cuz [23:16] they do have that technology. [23:17] >> So, you have technology to tell uh 70% [23:21] 50% 90% civilians to combatants 99%. [23:26] How high do you give the AI software to [23:28] be able to tell between civilian and [23:30] combatant? [23:32] >> How high what I don't even get that [23:34] question. [23:35] >> How high of a percentage can it [23:36] different? It's it's going to it has a [23:37] 100% efficacy rate. It can tell every [23:40] civilian from a combatant. [23:41] >> No, no, no. That's why you still have to [23:43] use human like but like I I think that's [23:46] a very dangerous thing to do because if [23:47] I'm writing my essay using um some AI. [23:51] I've still got to be careful to make [23:53] sure I don't you know I'm using the [23:55] right sources. I'm not plagiarizing. But [23:57] some people don't do that. Some people [23:58] just go [23:59] >> so I don't know why I don't know why [24:00] you're getting caught on the semantics [24:01] then. Okay. So you're you have to fight [24:03] a war where you can't tell between [24:05] civilian and combatant easily. Can I say [24:07] that? Is that okay? It's hard to [24:09] decipher between [24:10] >> Yeah. Easy. I Yeah, that's [24:12] >> it's not easy to decipher between [24:14] anyway. [24:15] >> Okay. You can't easily decipher between [24:17] civilian combatant. There's no army [24:19] bases and you're fighting in a 25 km [24:21] strip. [24:22] >> Why is there no army bases though? [24:25] >> We're not asking why. We're asking what [24:26] happened. It's not about why. [24:28] >> Yeah. But okay. All right. I'm going to [24:29] go with your hypothetical and I'm going [24:31] to ask [24:31] >> how are how are you responding to [24:33] October 7? already got predetermining [24:36] like factors that are setting up the [24:38] scenario we're in in which Israel which [24:41] I believe Israel already at fault at but [24:43] I'm going to just let's just say h [24:46] October 7th was just like it was just [24:48] you know like there was nothing that was [24:50] happening no occupation no blockade [24:52] >> yeah no occupation no ethnic cleansing [24:54] no [24:54] >> genocide they just blocked you sorry [24:57] they just um attacked you how would I [24:59] react [25:00] >> okay good question [25:02] >> I wouldn't I'm not going to say that I [25:03] wouldn't do anything. That would be [25:04] stupid. That's wrong. First of all, I'm [25:06] not going to be like, "Oh, well, you [25:08] know, we've got to understand." No, [25:09] >> just answer the question, bro. Answer [25:11] the question. What would you do? What [25:12] happens? [25:12] >> Very very very long- winded question. [25:15] >> I know, but I want you to get started on [25:17] it. [25:18] >> How would I start a two-year war is what [25:20] you're asking me right now. [25:20] >> It's not about a two-year war. October [25:22] 7th happens. You don't I mean, you seem [25:24] like you know all the you have the right [25:26] answers. [25:26] >> I do. I know. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. [25:28] I know the reason you're probably not [25:30] satisfied with this question because I'm [25:31] I'm going to be honest with you. It's [25:33] not a good question. You need to ask me [25:34] what I wouldn't have done that I condemn [25:36] Israel for. [25:37] >> No, no, no. But October 7th happens. You [25:39] don't get an You don't get an option [25:41] there. [25:41] >> I would use double taps. I wouldn't use [25:43] >> But that's not that's not an answer. [25:45] That's that you're telling me what you [25:46] wouldn't do. October 7th happens. The [25:49] world is watching. What? How do you [25:50] respond? [25:51] >> If you know what I wouldn't do, you know [25:53] what I would do then? [25:54] >> No, I actually I actually don't. I've [25:56] never gotten an answer. I've done [25:57] thousands of these. I've never gotten an [26:00] answer on this question. [26:01] >> Okay, so let me let me ask it. Let me [26:03] ask it again. Be quiet for one second. [26:04] Let me ask it again. [26:06] >> October 7th happens. You're BB [26:08] Netanyahu. What do you do? [26:11] >> I'll make it simple for you. You're BB [26:13] Netanyahu. What do you It happens. You [26:15] can't you can't go out. It happened. [26:16] >> I do attack back and I go and I using my [26:19] intelligence which is [26:21] >> be specific. The most probably be [26:23] specific. What intelligence are you [26:25] using? Whilst I'm explaining, you've got [26:26] to let me get off like my word scope [26:28] because I have to speak very I can't [26:30] just give you a one. I can't say I would [26:32] just many people like I've got like I've [26:36] got to explain specific. Yeah. Yeah. Go. [26:37] >> Because that's how it would happen in [26:39] real life. Intricacy. [26:40] >> Right. So what I'm saying is now let me [26:43] let me actually get this off. [26:44] >> I'm letting you is that I would you like [26:46] using the best military and most [26:50] intelligence in the entire Middle East. [26:52] I know that I'm fighting in an [26:53] asymmetrical warfare in which, let's be [26:56] honest, the only reason October 7th [26:58] happened and the breach of security [26:59] happened was because there was a lack of [27:01] security at the Is that true or not? [27:03] >> Of course. Yeah. Yeah. [27:05] >> Yeah, it was. So, what I'm saying is I [27:07] instantly know that realistically Hamas [27:12] could never do something like that again [27:14] once we're off like once I put the [27:16] security on that. So, instantly lock [27:18] down in terms of security. That's the [27:19] first is securing my people first before [27:22] I even think about how I'm going to [27:24] address with Famas. That's the first [27:25] point. [27:26] >> Wait, you're securing the border? [27:29] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [27:30] >> But there's Hamas people inside and like [27:33] random civilians who were just broken. [27:35] They're inside of Israel right now. [27:36] >> Yeah. No, no. Obviously, we obviously we [27:38] get rid of the Hamas that are already [27:39] there. That's obvious. That's for [27:40] granted. I thought we were going [27:43] >> You're killing them. [27:45] >> Yes. I'm killing the Hamas people that [27:46] just committed October 7th. Absolutely. [27:49] Yes. [27:49] >> I'm just making sure [27:51] >> what I'm I know what you guys I whether [27:54] this was enacted. This is what your your [27:56] chief said. You have Galan. He said that [27:57] the um Hannibal [27:59] >> Hannibal directive [28:01] >> he said it was used at least once. [28:04] >> Okay. [28:04] >> Um whether I'm doing that [28:10] >> it's but but again I'm I'm trying to [28:12] figure out how you would respond not [28:13] what you would have done what Israel [28:14] does. I want to know from you the [28:16] original you're like you have a better [28:18] way to handle [28:19] >> I'm now thinking whether I would have [28:20] done like I would have bombed the like [28:23] so I know they've got civilians that are [28:25] hostages right [28:27] >> do I then enact the Hannibal directive [28:29] is what I'm now thinking that's is that [28:31] not fair enough like I can think about [28:32] that [28:33] >> sure [28:34] >> yeah yeah um I probably wouldn't and let [28:37] me explain why [28:39] >> you got they took hostages anyway right [28:41] >> Mhm. How many hostages did you end up [28:44] getting back? [28:47] >> 162, I think, total. [28:50] >> Can I quickly ask you a question because [28:51] I've just made up my mind. Can I ask you [28:53] a question? Sure. Would you [28:55] >> rather have bombed those 160 or like [28:57] shot those 160 at like making sure also [29:00] you get Hamas as well? Or in retrospect, [29:04] because it's easy in retrospect knowing [29:05] that you're going to save 160. That I [29:07] I'll give you that cuz at the time you [29:09] don't know if they're going to die. You [29:10] don't know if they're going to get [29:10] tortured. That's fair enough. But now in [29:13] retrospect, do you think that is a good [29:16] idea to invoke the Hannibal directive [29:18] there? That's just my question to you. [29:22] >> And and then kill all 160. [29:25] >> Kill all 160. But you also get Hamas [29:28] with that. [29:30] >> No. [29:31] >> So you wouldn't have invoked it. [29:32] >> No. No. [29:34] >> Okay. So we agree. So so far I'm doing [29:36] well. That's good. Okay. So that's that [29:38] bit. Now, this is the bit that I I think [29:41] you want to hear. The offense on the [29:44] Gaza Strip instantly. I I guess in terms [29:47] of the way that you evacuated, I would I [29:50] would I would have done that. Evacuated [29:53] those millions cuz you guys did they [29:54] they were evacuated. I'll admit that. [29:56] No, anyone that denies that is lying, [29:58] right? That did happen. So, I do that. [30:01] Evacuate as many people as possible. [30:04] Full stop. So, I've now got secure I've [30:07] got secure borders. [30:08] >> Wait, wait. What about the people who [30:09] don't leave who stay in their homes? [30:12] >> That's a dep because look [30:14] >> cuz there were many who refused to [30:15] leave. [30:16] >> Yeah, of course. And there were many who [30:18] can't leave. Really? [30:19] >> Yeah. [30:20] >> Yeah. So, hospitals need like babies, [30:23] paralyzed people. [30:26] This is an as this is probably one of [30:28] the most asymmetrical warfares I've [30:31] seen, especially post World War II. You [30:34] have the ability. Yes. It's going to [30:36] come out of sacrifice. Absolutely right. [30:38] And that's going to be soldiers, that's [30:40] going to be etc. I'm so and that I'm [30:42] sorry, but to to make sure that you are [30:47] not bombing hospitals, which you have [30:49] you I think you've bombed I think not [30:51] bombed, not even just bombed. Sorry. I [30:54] think that are either completely [30:56] destroyed. I think is 19 and completely [30:58] destroyed or basically impartial use, [31:02] which means they're probably not even [31:04] running well. just not completely [31:05] destroyed. It's like 26 out of how many [31:08] how many hospitals are in [31:11] Gaza? [31:13] >> Okay. So, how are you? [31:16] >> So, I'm taking extra precaution as I [31:19] said. [31:19] >> Okay. But there's still there's still [31:20] you acknowledge. [31:22] >> You acknowledge that there civilians. [31:24] >> Wait, wait. You're acknowledging that [31:25] there's babies and civilians, old [31:27] grandmas who are not getting out. You're [31:29] going to kill them. [31:30] >> Yes. No, no, no, no, no. I said I'm [31:31] literally going into hospitals and [31:33] evacuating them. [31:34] >> Oh, you're going to send ground troops? [31:37] >> Absolutely. [31:38] >> To evacuate the hospitals one by one. [31:40] >> Yeah, you were sending ground troops [31:42] anyway to to healthcare facilities. Just [31:44] instead you were just shooting people [31:45] and and [31:47] dropping 2,000 ton bombs on people. So, [31:49] absolutely not doing that. [31:51] >> So, you're not not a single bomb is [31:53] dropping until each person is evacuated. [31:56] Every civilian. [31:57] >> It's not about No, no, no. Not [31:58] necessarily each person. not necessarily [32:00] each individual person. It's more about [32:03] the like the locations I'm going to. So, [32:06] if I've now sent troops, right, to [32:08] evacuate and I've given them the genuine [32:11] help they need and they're still they're [32:14] still refusing. I've you've literally [32:16] got a path right here to evacuate. We [32:18] are going to help you. We're also going [32:20] to send you to safe zones where you're [32:22] not getting bombed or shot, which is [32:23] happening to to Israelis uh to [32:25] Palestinians. So, I can also see why [32:28] they wouldn't want to leave, but that's [32:29] a side note. Um, I'm just ensuring the [32:32] most humanitarian way possible to then [32:36] go and proceed with the siege on Gaza [32:39] because then what that means is is that [32:41] you've tried your absolute hardest, [32:43] which Israeli claims they've done, which [32:44] they obviously haven't, to actually [32:46] evacuate and be as humanitarian as [32:48] possible. While so with aid I'm the aid [32:52] that's coming through I'm not blocking [32:53] off twothirds of it which is the [32:55] statistic I've got that the [32:56] >> wait wait wait focus focus on execution [32:58] real quick on how you're [32:59] >> I am but within my execution I've got [33:02] >> but put the put the aid on the side [33:04] we're still on day one of October 7th [33:05] >> I'm sorry to make this the most [33:07] effective [33:07] >> I I know I know you need to go to the [33:08] aid but one second we're still on [33:10] October 7th right now we we haven't [33:12] moved from October 7th [33:13] >> so okay so what else do you want to ask [33:14] me cuz I said I would evacuate all the [33:16] schools I would evacuate all the [33:18] hospitals [33:18] >> but you you haven't been able We're It's [33:20] both of us can acknowledge we're not [33:22] getting every single person out, right? [33:24] >> If that's the Yeah. So if I've tried the [33:26] IDF have tried the exact the absolute [33:28] hardest they've ensured this is about [33:30] you, not the IDF right now. I'm trying [33:31] to figure out your morals. So you [33:33] haven't been able [33:34] >> I control the IDF. I control the IDF in [33:36] this. [33:36] >> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I understand what [33:37] you're saying. So if you Yeah, the IDF [33:40] they they send ground troops and let's [33:42] even say cuz Hamas is on the ground. [33:44] Some some of your soldiers are also [33:46] dying now in this process of [33:47] >> evacuating. I'm I'm sorry. In war, guess [33:49] what? In war, [33:50] >> soldiers die. Correct. Correct. Correct. [33:51] Correct. So, no. Exactly. Soldiers [33:54] saying should be, it should be that in [33:56] war, soldiers die. Unfortunately, [34:00] but still, [34:01] >> you haven't been able to get everyone [34:03] out. There are children. There are old [34:05] women. There are sick people. There [34:07] Hamas terrorists. There's a bunch of [34:08] people. You still have to Now, you have [34:11] to make a choice. They're not coming. [34:12] They're not leaving. Let's say you've [34:13] got to be lenient to me though and say [34:15] that this like operation that I've done [34:17] where I've gone into every single like [34:19] humanitarian zone that's protected by [34:20] international law and I've tried my like [34:22] that's going to clear out a at least 70 [34:25] to 80% of individuals. You can Could you [34:27] grant me that? [34:29] >> You're the expert here, not me. [34:31] >> No, but could you grant me that? [34:33] >> I'll grant you what I'll grant you [34:34] whatever you want. I'm just trying to [34:35] understand. [34:36] >> I would say if I'm being I'll be harsh [34:37] on myself. I'll say 60 to 70% of people [34:40] I've got out of the buildings. So 40% [34:42] are still there. [34:44] >> Yeah. Roughly 30 to 40% let's say is [34:47] still there. [34:47] >> Okay. So still still potentially [34:49] hundreds to thousands of people. [34:50] >> Yeah. I'm still not bombing. [34:53] >> Oh [34:54] >> no. [34:55] >> Okay. [34:55] >> Ground invasions attacks [34:57] >> only ground invasions [35:00] >> from the point of where would we need to [35:03] bomb? [35:05] So, okay. I I I just want to get like a [35:08] because we've been talking for 35 [35:09] minutes just so we can get like somewhat [35:11] of a summary here. [35:12] >> Yeah. And you're g and you're telling me [35:14] to break down like the entire how I [35:15] would approach that. [35:16] >> No, I habibi I'm really not I'm not [35:18] asking that tough of questions. I'm [35:20] asking you're a very intricate you're a [35:22] very intricate you're a very intricate [35:23] person which I can appreciate. There's a [35:25] lot of like there's a lot of faffing [35:27] about also that like you keep going on [35:29] tangents. You're like me. That's great. [35:31] I like that. But I'm just trying to get [35:32] down to the core cuz I want to [35:34] understand. So what's the call? Just ask [35:36] me. [35:36] >> October 7th happened and you tell me if [35:38] I'm wrong so far. October 7th happens. [35:41] >> You're BB Netanyahu. You command the [35:43] IDF. [35:45] >> No bombing whatsoever yet. There's no [35:47] bombing. Secure the border. [35:49] >> We've secured a [35:51] >> We're securing the border. We're killing [35:52] the Hamas terrorists inside [35:54] >> and then we're sending a ground invasion [35:57] or ground troops to clear out all the [35:59] areas. [36:00] >> Yeah. [36:01] >> This is taking potentially weeks. Yeah. [36:03] This is not something that's gonna [36:04] happen immediately. [36:04] >> Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. [36:05] >> So, not not a single bomb not a single [36:08] bomb has dropped in Gaza yet. [36:10] >> No. [36:11] >> Not in place. No, I'm you know I'm only [36:13] referring to like those humanitarian [36:15] like the schools, hospitals, etc. I'm [36:17] not referring to places where we clearly [36:19] see there's Hamas combatants like we can [36:21] bomb those areas. [36:23] >> And if if you can clearly [36:26] >> if you can clearly see Hamas combatants [36:27] coming from a hospital or a school, do [36:29] you bomb it? No. [36:31] >> No. No. No, you don't bomb the hospital [36:32] and school. No, [36:33] >> even if you can clearly see Hamas [36:34] combatants. [36:36] >> What? That are going in or coming out? [36:38] >> Like there there's a really famous video [36:40] of Hamas combatants shooting RPGs out of [36:42] a hospital during the war. Like you can [36:44] see that it's clear. They have the [36:45] infrared uh footage of it. You don't [36:47] shoot that hospital. You don't bomb that [36:49] hospital. You keep that hospital. [36:52] >> Yes. The most asymmetrical warfare. [36:53] Those are those bomb. [36:54] >> Again, I'm just I'm just I'm just asking [36:56] one second before we faff around. So So [36:59] So [37:00] >> I'm just explaining. Yeah. Yeah. So, [37:01] we're we we're now weeks into this [37:04] campaign. Hamas is still firing rockets [37:07] at Israel. Yeah. Because they have [37:09] >> and they're all being intercepted by the [37:11] Iron Dome. [37:12] >> By the Iron Dome, but there's still some [37:13] landing here and there [37:14] >> and we have bomb shelters and I and the [37:16] reason I know like how this works when [37:18] you're getting bombed is cuz I was on [37:20] like Omegle when you guys were getting [37:22] like probably the most bombed you've [37:23] ever been by Iran and people were on [37:26] laughing to me like, "Oh, look, rockets [37:27] coming down. Let's go. Let me go to my [37:30] bomb shelter." And I'm literally having [37:31] conversations with them whilst they're [37:32] being bought. [37:33] >> So, so, so you Okay, no problem. I You [37:36] don't need to again [37:37] >> the optics are awful, but [37:39] >> there also Hamas rockets launched at [37:42] Israel. [37:43] >> All this is happening for weeks now. You [37:45] haven't you haven't dropped a single [37:47] bomb on Gaza? [37:49] >> Nope. [37:50] >> And they're firing relentless bombing at [37:53] you like [37:53] >> once once again I about the single bomb [37:56] thing. I said these are if there's areas [38:00] once again that are not protected by [38:02] international law and there clearly are [38:05] combatants there. Yes, we I would drop [38:07] >> like what a civilian house, a park where [38:10] there's not really there's not AR [38:12] there's no army bases in Gaza [38:14] >> wherever there no there's not army bases [38:17] but there's places that they operate [38:18] from that aren't schools or like I've [38:21] seen like the tunnel systems and like [38:23] I've counted myself like I've actually [38:25] done like it sounds kind of sad but I've [38:27] I've kind of done this myself cuz I [38:29] always kind of not wanted to be asked [38:31] this question but I always thought of [38:32] what would I do and like I'll be honest [38:34] it's way overexaggerated like the tunnel [38:37] system. A lot of the tunnels are away [38:39] from protected zones. A lot of them are [38:41] away. I'd say like a good [38:44] 30 40% are running under or nearby to [38:48] like protected zones. And I'd say like [38:49] the 60% are just tunnels. So yeah, I' [38:53] I'd send ground I would send ground [38:55] troops to the [ __ ] tunnels that we [38:58] know they operate from, which we know [38:59] their military gears from. [39:01] >> Okay. So again, we're weeks into this [39:04] campaign now. You've bombed like four [39:06] You You've bombed like four places. [39:09] >> Yeah. Let's say Let's say that. Yeah. [39:11] >> And this entire time, Hamas is still [39:12] firing rockets at Israel. [39:14] >> They're still firing rockets. And Isra [39:16] and And you and your ground troops [39:18] haven't they're not even really engaging [39:20] Hamas right now. They're just trying to [39:21] evacuate civilians before they start [39:24] blowing up civilian infrastructure. [39:27] >> Absolutely. I Why did I even say I want [39:30] to blow up loads of in [39:32] >> No. Oh, and then and then again and then [39:34] so weeks into this now you've gotten 60% [39:36] or 70% of the civilians out. There's [39:39] still 30% that refuse to leave. And then [39:41] you said you still don't bomb. No, I [39:44] said then I would it would be more [39:46] meticulous in the way of bombs. So not [39:47] 2,000 town uh 2,000 ton bombs. Not it [39:51] would be like drone strikes to specific [39:53] places that we have inter cuz you're [39:55] look at the end of the day I'm even if I [39:57] drop bomb I'm going to make a mistake. [39:58] I'm probably going to kill civilians. I [40:00] I admit that. So, how many civilians is [40:01] the limit for you? [40:02] >> It's about reducing the percentages to [40:04] the absolute utmost. [40:06] >> So, how many how many civilians is the [40:08] minimum? [40:09] >> That's going to be light. [40:10] >> How many civilians is the minimum that [40:11] you would allow in a war like this? [40:15] >> How many? No, I don't look at it like [40:16] that. I'm sorry. No, I'm not going to [40:17] answer that question. How many civilians [40:19] would I kill in a war? Like, it's [40:21] basically [40:21] >> No, like how do you must have a limit of [40:23] how much before it starts becoming [40:26] an issue or [40:27] >> I do not view it like that. What? So [40:28] it's like 20,000 and then 20,0001. Oh, [40:31] this is not [40:32] >> Yeah. Like that's that's what I'm [40:33] curious. But but you acknowledge that [40:35] you're going to kill any [40:36] >> you acknowledge you're going to be [40:37] killing civilians. You acknowledge [40:38] >> any civilian is one too many. [40:40] >> But you acknowledge you're going to be [40:41] killing potentially hundreds or [40:42] thousands. [40:43] >> Of I No, no, no. Not hundreds of [40:45] thousands. No. Why? [40:46] >> No. Hundreds or thousands? [40:49] >> Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I thought you [40:50] said hundreds or Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [40:52] >> You acknowledge that like you're going [40:53] to you're going to end up killing [40:54] thousands of civilians. knowledge that a [40:56] hund like there's probably going to be a [40:58] few hundred that end up dying and [41:01] pushing [41:01] >> only a few hundred [41:03] >> are pushing to have you seen the amount [41:05] of precautions they've taken? [41:07] >> Well, I don't I mean right now it seems [41:09] like Israel is getting the full brunt [41:11] and like Gaza Gaza seems to be really [41:14] intact right now. [41:15] >> Warfare. [41:16] >> Yeah. any rockets that have massive [41:18] firing, the imprecise munition that they [41:20] have that do absolutely nothing. Um, [41:23] once again, it's not that [41:25] >> Have you ever have you ever seen Have [41:27] you ever seen where a Gazin Hezbollah or [41:31] Iranian rocket lands? Have you seen what [41:32] it looks like? [41:34] >> Have you Have you ever met Have you ever [41:36] met anyone who's been [41:37] >> on someone when they sent that [41:39] supersonic missile? That's the only [41:42] missile I've seen [41:44] >> or like one of the only missiles I've [41:45] seen. It was mainly Iran though the [41:47] missiles I was seeing that were doing [41:48] anything. [41:48] >> No, but have you ever seen what Hamas [41:50] rocket what the damage looks like when [41:51] one hits your home [41:54] >> or like [41:54] >> I know what a rocket I know what any [41:56] rocket that hits home look like it's [41:57] going to destroy the home. Yeah. What's [41:58] your point? But my point is you have the [42:01] Iron Dome. [42:02] >> You send counter rockets 20. [42:04] >> But you know you know that the Iron Dome [42:05] is not security. [42:06] >> You know the you know the Iron Dome is [42:08] not like it's not infinite and it's not [42:11] like [42:11] >> of course it's not infinite. [42:13] >> We don't have an obligation. We don't [42:14] have sending hundreds a day of way back. [42:17] >> We don't have an obligation to just use [42:19] the Iron Dome only. It's defense [42:21] precaution, but it doesn't get rid of [42:23] the problem. The the problem is still [42:26] somebody firing rockets at you. [42:27] Understand that, right? [42:28] >> No, but guess what? [42:29] >> Yeah. [42:29] >> It it allows me to do the clear that I'm [42:32] saying. It absolutely does. [42:33] >> But for how long? How long can you keep [42:35] running the Iron Dome? [42:36] >> And I just said it. You said a few [42:37] weeks. I like that timeline. That's fine [42:39] for me. Within a few weeks now. [42:41] >> A few weeks. And then you're still [42:42] killing thousands of civilians after. [42:45] >> No, no. I said, now you've just said [42:47] thousands. It was hundreds. Two [42:48] thousands. Now it's thousands. [42:50] >> You really You really You really think [42:51] with all [42:53] >> You really think that with your [42:54] precautions you would only kill hundreds [42:57] out of all of Gaza? [42:58] >> Hundreds to thousand. Hundreds to [43:00] thousands, but not thousands. The way [43:01] you just said it there. The second time [43:03] >> you just said hundreds to thousands. [43:05] >> Yeah. Hundreds to thousands. That mean [43:07] it can be within anywhere from it could [43:10] be 900. It could be 1,500. It could be [43:13] 2,000. But thousands implies we're going [43:15] even past. [43:16] >> You don't think you would kill like two, [43:17] three thousand civilians? [43:20] >> Yeah. Let's say I do. That would be [43:23] what? That would be 10% of what the [43:26] Israeli government had done. And that [43:27] would be [43:28] >> Would it be a genocide? [43:30] >> No, [43:30] >> it wouldn't be a genocide. [43:32] >> Of course it wouldn't. I've gone into [43:33] literal buildings with the army myself [43:36] and made sure that I've tried the [43:38] absolute hardest to get civilians out [43:40] there. Now, hold on. Hold on. [43:43] >> Can I ask you a question? [43:45] Do you think Do you think in this Can I [43:47] Can I ask you a question? Do you think [43:49] in this scenario if your soldiers like [43:52] under your army would say, [43:56] "We don't vibe with this." [43:57] >> My soldiers I I don't [43:59] >> we don't we don't vibe with this at all. [44:00] Like this is [44:01] >> we don't vibe with this. [44:02] >> Yeah. Like we're not we're not we're not [44:04] doing we're not fighting this war this [44:05] way. Like do you think [44:07] >> we're not fighting the war this way? [44:08] >> Do do you think that like [44:09] >> thrown in a hypothetical? You just throw [44:11] >> No. No. Do you I'm saying do you think [44:12] the human beings who cuz they are humans [44:15] at the end of the day. Do you think the [44:16] human beings who just saw their families [44:19] massacred on October 7th and their [44:21] countrymen taken hostage and raped and [44:23] murdered. Do you think that they would [44:25] >> like they would be down with this [44:28] campaign of [44:30] >> their soldiers? [snorts] What's it's [44:33] like asking in World War II, oh Winston [44:36] Churchill, would the we should go and [44:38] bomb Dre. [44:39] >> Don't know. I don't know if you want to [44:40] bring up World War II as a good example. [44:42] >> The soldiers be down for that. [44:44] >> I don't think I don't think you want to [44:45] bring World War II up as a good example. [44:47] >> I'm Yahu and I have unilateral power, so [44:50] they are doing what I say they're doing. [44:52] Well, I so I think I think what it comes [44:54] down to, and I'm not trying to be mean [44:56] when I say this, [44:56] >> bring this to reality cuz this [44:58] >> No, we we know we know the reality. It's [45:00] hundreds of thousands have been killed. [45:01] Israel's been careless. They've been [45:02] bombing non-stop. One second. I think [45:04] the reality of what it comes down to I [45:06] think what the reality of what it comes [45:07] down to, bro, is that [45:10] like your your kind, your thought [45:14] process, [45:16] it doesn't work here. Like I don't think [45:18] you understand that nobody nobody here [45:22] thinks the way that you think and nobody [45:26] nobody would do what you're talking [45:28] about ever. [45:28] >> And that's why and that's why we have [45:30] what we have in the humanitarian crisis. [45:32] I'm sure we have a humanitarian crisis [45:34] because also Palestinians haven't been [45:37] able to get their [ __ ] together for [45:38] >> that's why we have [45:39] >> 78 years [45:41] >> dropped on hospital. [45:42] >> But listen, I think I think I think it's [45:44] what you've described is an interesting [45:46] plan. I give you credit where credit's [45:49] due. Out of all of the conversations [45:51] I've had, and I've had thousands, most [45:53] people skip this part. You actually gave [45:56] a somewhat intricate plan. I think it's [45:58] an autistic plan. I think it's maybe the [46:00] most [ __ ] plan I've ever heard, but [46:01] it's a plan. And what I would say is [46:03] genuinely, and I actually would be I [46:06] would love to do a follow-up with you on [46:07] this. I'm getting a little bit tired [46:08] now, but I would love to do a follow-up [46:09] with you on this. I think it would be [46:11] amazing to see if we could take your [46:13] plan in accordance with what the IDF [46:16] actually did and put them side by side [46:19] and see [46:21] >> and see I would love to see if what you [46:24] proposed [46:25] >> how realistic it is. [46:27] >> Can I say something? Sure. [46:28] >> Right. [46:29] >> Yeah. Yeah. [46:30] >> You were talking about time and you're [46:31] getting tired, right? I'm not being [46:32] funny. [46:34] >> I wanted to talk about what Israel have [46:36] done cuz at the end of the day, I I'm [46:38] not letting Yahoo. I don't have any [46:40] power. It would be completely different [46:41] in practicality. That's why I didn't [46:42] even want to go for the hypothetical. [46:44] But now all of a sudden, I want to now [46:46] switch it to talking about what Israel [46:48] have done. And I'm not saying you're not [46:49] tired, but it's like, come on. Like, [46:52] you've not really let me. [46:53] >> Brother, brother, I have a question. Do [46:54] you think like do you think this is [46:56] going to be do you think this is going [46:58] to be the first time that I'm hearing [47:00] what Israel has done or the first time [47:02] that somebody said the same basic [ __ ] [47:04] thing that you're about to say? Like [47:06] what new information do you think you're [47:07] about to provide my show about what [47:10] Israel has done that we haven't heard [47:13] before? Like what what are you about to [47:15] say that hasn't been said a billion [47:17] times? [47:18] >> It's not about giving you new [47:19] information. It's about the way you look [47:21] at the information. Okay, then I have [47:22] 500 videos on my channel of the same [47:24] person like you saying the same thing. [47:27] But what what you said what you said [47:29] right now was really interesting cuz you [47:31] actually gave a plan. You gave an idea [47:34] which I have to give you credit for and [47:36] I give you credit for it. [47:37] >> Thank you. Can you give me the credit to [47:38] be able to then you like use some two [47:41] give me five minutes to [47:42] >> Sure. You want two minutes? I have no [47:43] problem with two minutes. I'm just [47:44] getting a little bit tired. [47:45] >> Yeah. [47:47] Um, [47:48] >> you want five minutes to ramble about [47:49] what Israel did? [47:50] >> Ask me probably about 15 questions. Let [47:52] me ask you some. [47:53] >> Sure. [47:54] >> Do you believe Israel have done the [47:56] absolute best they can to prevent [47:59] >> No, but I don't think they need to. I [48:00] don't agree with that they need to at [48:02] all. [48:02] >> I'm not I I'm an Arab. Like I I want to [48:04] fight the war the same way the Arabs [48:06] would. I'm an Arab Jew. I want to fight [48:08] the war the same way the Palestinians [48:10] would fight it. I don't want I'm not [48:11] racist and I don't believe I believe in [48:13] equality, but real equality. I want to I [48:16] want to reverse if Jews did in October [48:18] 7th the Palestinians, how would [48:19] Palestinians respond given the same [48:21] opportunities we have? I want to respond [48:24] exactly in the same way. I don't think [48:26] we've done nearly enough in Gaza. I [48:28] don't think we've done nearly enough. I [48:30] don't think we've done nearly enough. [48:31] >> More civilians, you would ID. [48:32] >> It's not It's not about killing more [48:34] civilians. We haven't destroyed Hamas. [48:35] Hamas is still there. We haven't bro we [48:38] haven't broken their will to support [48:40] that organization. We haven't conquered [48:42] the land. We're gonna return the land [48:44] most likely to them. [48:45] >> I want to conquer the land [48:46] >> of Are you kidding me? If if somebody [48:48] I'm an Arab. If somebody comes to my [48:51] land as an Arab and rapes my women, [48:55] everyone's out. There's no there's [48:56] nothing left. It's done. It's a full [48:59] sweep. I'm not I'm not embarrassed to [49:01] say that. I want to respond when I talk [49:03] to my Palestinian friends. I want to [49:04] talk I want to do exactly what they say. [49:06] And I've talked to my Palestinian [49:08] friends about this. I've talked to my [49:09] Arab friends, my Jews friends about [49:11] this. They say we're [ __ ] idiots. You [49:12] know what the Jews people say about the [49:14] Jews? They say you guys are but you guys [49:15] are gay and dumb. That's what they say [49:17] to us. That's what they say. They say [49:20] we're a bunch of [ __ ] We're a bunch [49:22] of pushovers. [49:22] >> Palestinians who have been bombed [49:26] relentlessly for the last two years, [49:28] including 2,000 ton bombs, including [49:30] hospitals, schools, children. You can [49:33] say as many buzzwords as you want. It [49:34] doesn't change [49:35] >> because I didn't cut you off. You I [49:36] didn't cut you off. Respectfully. Yes. [49:39] >> And I'm going to I can give all the [49:41] humanitarian zones, right? [49:42] >> All the buzzwords. [49:43] >> You're telling me their response to that [49:45] is that you're gay and stupid. Is that [49:47] is that genuinely response? Is that is [49:48] that [49:48] >> is that what gay and stupid? [49:51] >> You said gay and something. Oh, gay and [49:52] dumb or something. What did you say? You [49:53] said gay. And [49:54] >> if you ask an Arab how we responded to [49:57] October 7th, [49:59] >> Yeah. they would say it's genocide. [50:00] every single Arab. [50:01] >> No, no, no. If you ask them how we [50:03] responded, like if you ask them like how [50:06] Israel, like obviously this needs to be [50:07] like this needs to be an Arab that's not [50:10] like there needs to be an Arab that's [50:11] somewhat pro-Israel. Yeah. If you ask [50:13] them how we respond. [50:15] >> Yeah. Oh, that's a nice little caveat to [50:18] throw in there cuz the way you were [50:19] speaking about, oh, I speak to the my [50:21] Arab friends. [50:22] >> Yeah. Yeah. It has to it has to be a [50:23] friend. It has to be an Arab friend [50:24] who's pro Israel. [50:25] >> Israel. [50:26] >> I thought I'm sorry. I thought I thought [50:27] that was a given. Like it it has to be [50:29] an Arab that's pro-Israel. [50:30] >> Why is that even a relevant point then [50:32] that someone pro- Israeli was going to [50:33] say that you should have bombed? [50:34] >> Why is what you're saying somebody who's [50:36] anti-Israel relevant? It's a bias. A [50:37] bias is a bias. [50:38] >> Because those are the millions that are [50:40] being bombed. [50:41] >> What? Wait, you're telling me that if [50:44] What does it matter? They both have a [50:46] bias. Both one hates Israel, one loves [50:47] Israel. One one could also be being [50:49] bombed. One could also have family from [50:51] Palestine. It doesn't matter. [50:53] What's the [50:53] >> If I ask an Arab, if I ask a Middle [50:55] Easter, If I ask a Middle Easterner who [50:58] who likes Israel how we responded, they [51:01] would say that we responded in the [51:03] gayest way possible. We haven't done [51:04] nearly enough. [51:06] >> Wait, please stop. Please stop. This is [51:08] This is so disrespectful. And let me [51:09] just say, let me get this off. Please [51:11] don't interrupt me. [51:12] >> Okay. [51:12] >> Right. You asked me the question, so I'm [51:14] now going to answer you. Please don't [51:15] interrupt. [51:15] >> You're asking me. [51:16] >> You asked me a question. [51:18] >> Yeah. No, then you asked me. You asked [51:20] me what's the difference as well. I [51:22] asked you a question, then you asked me [51:23] a question. So, I'm not going to answer [51:24] your question. You answered my question, [51:25] I'm going to ask you a question. One [51:27] one. Okay. [51:29] >> You are You said what's the difference? [51:31] >> The difference is The difference is, as [51:34] you said, how much is Gazerus destroyed? [51:37] >> I don't I really don't know the number. [51:38] People are saying 99%, 95%. [51:40] >> Let's say 80%. [51:42] >> You can say 100. I don't really care. I [51:43] don't even care. [51:44] >> Family People's families have been [51:46] killed. And even if they've survived, if [51:48] they're not paralyzed or have some [51:50] permanent defect from the war, etc., [51:53] then they know somebody that does and [51:56] simultaneously they're probably going [51:58] hungry because of the the lack of [52:00] humanitarian aid or the amount of people [52:02] that have to be fed there for the lack [52:04] of affects [52:06] 1.9 million people currently. So to [52:09] compare that to the people you're [52:10] talking to who probably use this app, [52:12] who probably have normal lives and try [52:15] to take their opinion and put it on some [52:19] sort of level of like value with those. [52:21] >> Okay. So you don't you don't value the [52:22] opinions of other people who don't agree [52:24] with your bias. That's fine and that's [52:26] okay. That's your that's your [52:28] prerogative. Someone that you you trust [52:31] you trust the people with your bias. I [52:34] trust the people with my bias. That's [52:35] what this whole thing is about. You you [52:37] trust people who have been under the [52:39] war. I trust people I trust people who [52:41] actually live this [ __ ] So if an Arab [52:44] is if people if an Arab is being if an [52:47] Arab is being bombed if an Arab is being [52:50] bombed, [52:51] >> you know what? Here here's a better [52:53] here's a better litmus test. Why not ask [52:55] a Palestinian what they could do if they [52:56] were in Israel's position? [52:57] >> Why are you now? That's a complet that [52:59] they would respond to you exact. They [53:01] would say let's kill and murder every [53:03] single Jew. Let's massacre every Zionist [53:05] that exists in Israel. ization and [53:07] that's your acting. [53:08] >> Bro, you are insufferable to talk to. I [53:10] have to be honest with you. [53:11] >> Oh, so it was all respectful and now I'm [53:13] making good points. Now you're Now [53:15] you're [53:15] >> You have made You have made fantastic [53:18] points. [53:19] >> You have made fantastic points. Really [53:22] great points. My favorite point My [53:23] favorite point was when you said that uh [53:26] you would you would uh just try to [53:27] evacuate civilians for two weeks without [53:29] dropping a single bomb on Gaza. That's [53:30] my favorite. [53:31] >> You're the one that said weeks, by the [53:32] way. I never said weeks. So nice for [53:33] adding that in. [53:34] >> Oh, what was it? Days then. [53:36] How how long do you think? What's the [53:38] Israeli? [53:38] >> I don't I don't know. I don't know how [53:40] long it takes to evacuate Gaza. [53:42] >> They're incompetent. [53:43] >> I don't I mean, you seem like you must [53:44] be a military expert. You served how [53:46] long? How many years? [53:48] >> No, no, no. Oh, so you wanted to ask me [53:50] the hypothetical. Spend 30 minutes on [53:52] it. And [53:52] >> I didn't serve in the military. I'm [53:53] trying to learn. I'm serality. [53:55] >> I didn't serve in the military. I'm [53:57] asking you. You must You seem like you [53:58] really know what you're talking about. [54:00] >> You just asked me for 30 minutes of my [54:02] time to explain what I would do. I gave [54:04] you my [54:04] >> Bro, you seem like an expert. I I don't [54:06] know what I'm talking about. I didn't [54:07] serve in the military. [54:08] >> No, I didn't. I didn't start saying this [54:10] is what I would have done. I said this [54:12] is why I'm talking about what you [54:13] shouldn't do. Obvious things you [54:15] shouldn't do. 2,000 ton bombs. How [54:18] What's the [54:18] >> That's not That's not what we That's not [54:20] what we did. [54:20] >> What's the No, no, that's what I would [54:22] have spoke about, but you didn't want me [54:23] to speak about you wanted me to speak [54:24] about what I would have done. [54:25] >> Yes. That's what I was curious about is [54:27] what you would have done. [54:28] >> You just treated me like a military [54:29] expert. That's what you've done. [54:31] >> I wanted to know what you were saying. [54:32] And you seem like you really do know. [54:33] >> Don't now. So don't now use a [54:35] condescending tone to be like, "Oh, I [54:36] didn't know." [54:37] >> I'm not condescending. You have your [54:38] nipples in a bunch, bro. Calm down. [54:39] Everything's okay. [54:41] >> I'm talking to you the way a Middle [54:42] Eastern person talks to another Middle [54:43] Eastern person. [54:45] >> I'm sorry you don't like the Middle [54:46] Eastern way of speaking. I apologize [54:48] that it offends you. [54:49] >> Middle Eastern way of speaking. Like [54:50] every Middle Eastern person speaks the [54:52] same. [54:52] >> Oh my god, bro. You are insufferable. [54:54] You're really insufferable. [54:55] >> I don't I don't let the [ __ ] slide [54:57] and your generalization slide. I [54:58] actually pick apart what you do. Such as [55:00] the facteing which you don't like [55:01] either. It's gonna take so much time. [55:03] >> You can fact check all you want, but you [55:05] understand. I do this as a job. I I try [55:07] to have conversations with people. [55:09] Factian policy again. Authority. [55:11] >> I I try to sit here with facteing people [55:13] all the time. [55:13] >> Two times you [55:16] Okay, we're good. I'm going to go to [55:17] sleep, bro. Arabic. That makes no [55:19] difference. [55:19] >> It wasn't Arabic. It was Hebrew. But [55:21] yeah, it was very nice to speak to you. [55:22] >> Oh, yeah. [55:24] >> I didn't do but Okay. [laughter] [55:26] >> Yeah, you did. You went You went [55:28] >> I said that's okay. That's all good, [55:30] bro. You didn't say aki. [55:32] >> Okay. Yala bro. [55:34] >> Exactly. So you're pedantic on that [55:36] point and you were still wrong on it. [55:38] That's crazy. Concession. [55:39] >> Always wrong. Boy, you right about [55:40] everything. You You got literally [55:42] everything to a tea. You solved October [55:44] 7th. [55:45] >> Post this video. [55:46] >> Huh? [55:47] >> You going to post this video? [55:48] >> Of course I'm going to post this video. [55:49] You kidding me? You did an amazing job. [55:50] >> On your main [55:51] >> On my main channel. Yeah. Did you get [55:52] the channel name? [55:53] >> You're not going to cut anything out. [55:55] >> No. No. We post them raw just like this. [55:56] It'll probably be out in a couple weeks, [55:58] but it'll put angry Muslim says he would [56:01] bomb Jewish people or something like [56:03] that. [56:03] >> It's whatever whatever my team names it. [56:04] I don't know. [56:05] >> Whatever. Yeah, whatever your team feels [56:06] like making up. Yeah, that's fine. Go [56:08] ahead. Nice speaking to you, bro. [56:10] >> You, too, brother. See you around, man. [56:12] Good night. What an insufferable What an [56:15] insufferable angry little man. [56:17] [laughter] You're so angry.
