Transcript [00:02] Hey everyone. [snorts] So Jared Kushner [00:04] is in the Middle East. He was in Egypt [00:06] the other day. I made a video about [00:08] that. I talked about how he met with the [00:09] kamas leadership there. He also met with [00:11] the mediators. And it was all about uh [00:15] uh moving forward on the 15point [00:17] framework. And uh in the middle of all [00:19] that, Israel, you know, Prime Minister [00:21] Netanyahu said that Israel does not [00:22] accept the 15-point framework. And we've [00:24] talked about that. I've made a number of [00:25] videos where I talked about it. made one [00:26] where I went through all the uh all the [00:28] problems with it. Well, then Jared [00:31] Kushner came to Israel. He met with [00:32] Prime Minister Netanyahu [00:34] and he gave an interview to Trey Yinst [00:37] of Fox News. And I found the interview [00:38] very interesting. It actually clarified [00:40] a few things. It's a little different [00:42] than what we were hearing out of the [00:43] Egypt meeting. And I want to go through [00:46] some key points of this interview. The [00:48] uh it the whole clip was 12 minutes [00:51] long. I'm not going to play the whole [00:52] thing. The last few minutes are about [00:53] Iran and there was nothing really [00:54] notable. uh in that part of the [00:57] interview, we're going to stick to the [00:58] stuff that's about Gaza, and I'm going [00:59] to stop it along the way. There's [01:01] especially one section where they talk [01:05] where there's uh where Trey asks Jared [01:09] something about the Abraham Accords, and [01:11] his answer is very interesting. Uh and [01:13] it's a diff and it it raises an [01:15] interesting issue about the political [01:17] implications of the Abraham Accords that [01:19] I want to tease out. So, got a number of [01:22] different topics to cover, all related [01:23] to Gaza, though. Uh, so let's get to the [01:25] Jared Kushner interview by Trey Yanks of [01:28] Fox News. Let me pull it up on screen [01:30] right now. [01:32] Hold on a moment. Here we go. [01:35] And let's hit play. [01:40] And there we are. [01:41] >> Kushner, thank you for speaking with Fox [01:43] News. [01:43] >> Uh, it's good to be with you. [01:45] >> You just returned from Jerusalem meeting [01:46] with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin [01:48] Netanyahu. Yesterday you were in Egypt [01:51] meeting with Hamas officials. In terms [01:53] of the Gaza ceasefire, how close is [01:56] Hamas to laying down their weapons? Uh, [01:59] >> it could be very close. So, yesterday we [02:01] had a great meeting uh in Cairo with the [02:03] mediators and with Hamas and actually [02:05] with the National Committee, which is [02:06] the new technocratic Palestinian [02:08] government that will go over uh when [02:10] they hand over control. And they [02:12] reaffirmed all their commitments to [02:13] President Trump's 20point peace plan and [02:15] to uh to the to the 15-point road map [02:18] that we've been working on with them for [02:19] the last four months uh where they [02:21] commit to uh to giving up their weapons. [02:22] Now, this sounds like a very crazy thing [02:24] because Hamas has had weapons for a long [02:26] time and has been a terrible terrorist [02:28] organization. Uh, but at this point with [02:30] the pressure from all the mediators and [02:32] with the United States, uh, they do seem [02:34] willing to do it and time will tell [02:35] whether that's going to be implemented. [02:37] Um, but we we feel like we could be very [02:38] close to knowing and and we're making a [02:40] lot of progress uh towards trying to get [02:42] to the next steps. [02:43] >> Hamas is willing is showing more [02:46] willingness to give up their weapons. I [02:48] mean, color me skeptical. I don't think [02:49] I have to go into any deep commentary [02:50] here. Whatever. Jared Kushner is very [02:53] optimistic. He thinks it could happen, [02:55] but [02:57] he has more to say on this. [02:59] >> Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu [03:01] recently called the Board of Peace [03:03] roadmap unacceptable. Are you asking the [03:05] Prime Minister to change his thinking? [03:08] >> I think that was his perception of of [03:10] the plan as he got it. I think today we [03:12] had a a very very uh good meeting. We [03:14] were there for almost four hours with [03:16] him and his team going through all the [03:17] different details. I think there were [03:19] some uh valid concerns that they raised [03:21] that we were able to address and um and [03:23] we were able to go through uh some of [03:25] the misunderstandings and misinformation [03:26] that's been out about it as well. I mean [03:28] certain things like uh we're very [03:30] committed to the fact that we have a [03:31] plan to rebuild Gaza, but we will not [03:34] allow Gaza to be rebuilt until the [03:36] demilitarization occurs. Nobody wants to [03:38] put more money into a place that's gone [03:40] on for so long uh until if it's just [03:42] going to be taken over by terrorists or [03:44] blown up again. uh we're also not going [03:46] to restrict Israel's right to defend [03:48] itself if there are any imminent [03:49] threats. And so we had to clarify what [03:50] that means. And then we went through the [03:52] mechanism uh as well for what we need to [03:54] do in terms of how to actually take the [03:55] weapons. And so hold on, let me just let [03:57] me just clarify. When he says we're not [03:58] going to restrict Israel when there's [04:00] imminent threats, it means they're not [04:03] going to restrict Israel when there are [04:05] imminent threats. Are they going to try [04:07] to restrict Israel when Israel is [04:08] carrying out these uh assassination [04:12] strikes against Hamas leadership as they [04:14] have been carrying out? Those are not [04:16] technically immediate threats. Israel is [04:18] determined to to hunt down all of those [04:22] terrorists who participated in October [04:24] 7th and that's what they've been doing [04:26] because they're trying to eliminate [04:27] Hamas. They're not just defending [04:28] themselves against imminent threats. So, [04:31] I don't know if Jared was being precise [04:32] in his language there or if this if [04:35] there is some daylight between what [04:36] Israel wants and uh or if the Americans [04:39] are actually pressuring them to stop [04:41] with the assassination strikes because [04:43] Hamas has uh been adamant about wanting, [04:46] you know, trying to get Israel trying to [04:48] pressure Israel to stop with those [04:49] assassinations. So, maybe I'm reading [04:51] too much between the lines. I'm just [04:52] flagging that. Let's move on. if we [04:54] cooperate together and I think that we [04:56] left uh you know the meeting uh agreeing [04:58] to cooperate and work on the different [04:59] areas of demilitarization and some of [05:01] the humanitarian steps that we want to [05:03] make in order to improve Gaza. Uh we [05:05] could be seeing progress you know in as [05:06] much as in as little as 30 days [05:08] hopefully on you know starting to take [05:09] some of the weapons out and hopefully uh [05:12] you know filling in some of the tunnels [05:14] as well in the next 60 to 90 days as [05:15] well. So, uh, progress could come quite [05:17] soon, but we do need, uh, cooperation [05:18] from both sides, uh, and, uh, and we're [05:21] going to hopefully get through, but [05:22] we've made a lot of progress, uh, to get [05:24] here. [05:24] >> You met yesterday in Egypt with Hamas [05:26] Chief Khalil Al- Haya. Did he commit to [05:30] giving up weapons in the next 30 days? [05:32] >> Yeah. So, he signed a document on it [05:34] last week and he further reiterated his [05:35] commitment to it. And I will say, I [05:37] mean, we've [05:38] >> Okay, we'll move on. But did you catch [05:41] that? Khalil ala actually signed a [05:44] document that said that kamas would [05:45] disarm and then reiterate last week and [05:48] reiterated that comm that commitment [05:51] this week. [05:53] Uh [05:54] okay let's just keep that we'll put that [05:57] on the shelf. That's fascinating a long [06:00] way. I mean a year ago uh the host [06:03] there's 20 hostages in Gaza. There are [06:05] 28 bodies. Uh there was a lot of uh [06:07] there's a a hot war going on and what uh [06:09] we've been able to accomplish under [06:10] President Trump's leadership over the [06:12] last year has been pretty remarkable and [06:14] nobody thought we'd be able to get this [06:15] war done. This war uh cast a black cloud [06:17] over the world for a long time. It was a [06:19] very very it was causing a lot of um [06:21] just hatred and and controversy in the [06:23] world and uh a lot of people didn't [06:25] think we'd get it done and then when we [06:26] got it done people didn't think they'd [06:28] actually let the hostages out alive. Uh [06:30] and we were able to accomplish that and [06:31] then people thought we wouldn't be able [06:32] to get the bodies out. uh we've gotten [06:34] all 28 uh remains of the dead hostages [06:36] out as well. So for the first time now [06:38] since 2014 uh there's no live or dead [06:40] hostages of Israelis in Gaza and that's [06:43] created an opportunity. We've also then [06:45] focused on how do we come up with a plan [06:46] for the Palestinian people in Gaza to [06:49] live a better life and and we've surged [06:51] more aid in there into a war zone than [06:52] at any time in history. We've changed [06:54] the way the aid is done. Um actually the [06:56] aid for Gaza the UN spends three times [06:59] the amount per person in Gaza than they [07:00] do in Syria. So, it's just this uh [07:02] complex. [07:03] >> The UN spends three times per person in [07:06] Gaza than they do in Syria. [07:10] No, no further comment [07:12] >> of of of of theft and graft that's been [07:14] going on for a while. And we're able to [07:16] change a lot of the way that's been done [07:17] by working with the United Nations so [07:18] that Hamas has been able to steal [07:20] hopefully none, but a lot less of the [07:22] money from the aid. And so now the [07:23] malnutrition rate in Gaza is one of the [07:25] lowest in the world. Uh and Hamas is at [07:27] a point where the [07:28] >> okay the malnutrition rate in Gaza is [07:30] one of the lowest in the world. There's [07:33] three times as much aid per person in [07:36] Gaza. Three times as much as there is in [07:38] Syria. Has anyone heard about a mass [07:40] starvation crisis in Syria. We I mean we [07:43] were told that gazins were starving. One [07:45] of the lowest malnutrition rates in the [07:47] world. [07:49] Three times the aid as in Syria. [07:54] That's why kamas still has money. That's [07:57] why for all this time, all these months [07:59] that have been passing, [08:02] three times the aid that is given to a [08:05] different country in right nearby [08:08] per person is all going into kamas and [08:11] then they're weaponizing that aid, [08:13] selling it, making storing it. This is, [08:16] you know, turning it into cash. [08:19] Unbelievable. I digress. [08:22] >> It cannot continue. we've isolated them [08:24] in the Arab world. Uh and hopefully we [08:26] can do this in a in a good way uh where [08:28] we can get the weapons and move on. And [08:30] for Israel, we think this is a win-win [08:32] situation because uh if Hamas actually [08:34] gives over the weapons and the tunnels, [08:36] you know, willingly over the next 60 to [08:37] 90 days, that obviously would be the [08:39] elimination of a huge security threat [08:41] for Israel. Almost an unthinkable uh [08:43] achievement. uh and if they don't follow [08:45] through now on their commitment, [08:46] everyone will see that uh that they're [08:48] not genuine about peace and then Israel [08:49] will have a lot more uh support from the [08:51] US and others to go and finish the job [08:53] in the appropriate way. You met with [08:54] Hamas official. [clears throat] [08:55] >> That was the most important line in this [08:57] whole interview. Look what he just said [09:00] there. He said, "Look," and there's some [09:02] logic to this. It's a win-win situation [09:04] for the Israelis. If Kamas actually [09:06] disarms, of course, we're all skeptical, [09:08] but put the skepticism aside. If Kamas [09:10] actually disarms, great. Kamas disarm. [09:13] And if they don't disarm, there will be [09:14] more support from the Americans and from [09:18] other actors for Israel to finish the [09:21] job in the most in the appropriate way. [09:24] To finish the job in the appropriate way [09:30] that [09:31] is is that signaling support for Israel [09:34] to actually, you know, basically say to [09:37] Israel, listen, give it one more chance. [09:38] Let's see if we can disarm them, and if [09:40] not, go for it. Is that what he's [09:42] signaling? [09:45] >> Wow. [09:46] >> Yesterday, do you think they're genuine [09:48] about peace? [09:50] >> I mean, they said all the right things, [09:51] but obviously it's very very hard to [09:54] trust uh you know, a terrorist [09:55] organization that uh that committed [09:57] these these terrible atrocities, but we [09:59] had a very cordial u meeting uh and um [10:02] and they said all the right things. And [10:04] so, uh we're going to give them a chance [10:05] to perform, but it's going to have to be [10:07] based on actions and steps. And um and I [10:09] I hope it will be true. Uh but again [10:11] it's not just you know uh the United [10:13] States working on this. You know Steve [10:14] and myself have been working with um [10:17] with the Egyptians with the Qataris with [10:18] the Turks and then the Amiradis and the [10:20] Saudis and everyone else has been [10:21] helping us uh to really make sure we [10:23] apply the right pressure so that uh we [10:25] can do what's right for the Palestinian [10:26] people in Gaza by uh getting Hamas out [10:29] of governance and uh getting it [10:30] demilitarized so that they can rebuild [10:32] in a way that will benefit the people of [10:33] Gaza. Hamas's [10:35] >> I mean never mind the fact that Hamas is [10:36] still quite popular in Gaza. I mean, [10:38] their popularity is declining somewhat. [10:41] I talked about this the other day. I [10:42] made a video about recent polling of the [10:44] Palestinian population. You might want [10:46] to see that on this channel. Very [10:47] interesting stuff. Um, but uh, yeah, you [10:51] know, his good intentions are are are [10:54] admirable. [10:55] >> Publicly tied an Israeli withdrawal from [10:57] Gaza to any sort of disarmament. [11:00] >> Were you able to clarify some of those [11:02] positions in your meetings over the past [11:03] 48 hours? Yeah. So, Israel now is at the [11:06] yellow line which we agreed to in the [11:07] negotiations uh for the initial deal in [11:10] the 20point plan. Uh and uh they uh [11:13] right now we have to show that Hamas is [11:14] serious. There's been many many [11:15] violations uh you know by them of the uh [11:18] the agreement and then once we get them [11:20] into full compliance with the agreement [11:22] um and we're able to get the [11:23] demilitarization done then we'll discuss [11:25] the Israeli withdrawal. The goal [11:26] ultimately is for Israel to withdraw [11:28] from Gaza, but only when Hamas is really [11:30] demilitarized and there's a whole uh [11:32] governance in place there that hopefully [11:34] can work on helping the people grow. And [11:36] we don't want Gaza to ever be a threat [11:37] to Israel again. And I think, you know, [11:39] the good part about our meeting today, [11:40] and there's many good parts of it, was [11:42] that Prime Minister Netanyahu and I [11:44] agreed that we share the exact same [11:46] goals, which is a demilitarized Gaza. [11:48] Um, and we really want to see uh, you [11:49] know, peace in in in the South. And if [11:51] we are able to be successful with this, [11:53] it could be an amazing uh change of of [11:55] the strategic nature for Israel. The [11:57] issue of Gaza and [11:58] >> Wow, that was huge. [12:02] And this I'm saying I'm relieved. I'm [12:04] happy to hear it. It's good to hear it, [12:07] that the Americans are on the same page [12:09] as the Israelis, that there will be no [12:11] withdrawal beyond the yellow line. Look [12:12] what he said there. No withdrawal until [12:14] after Hamas is completely disarmed and [12:16] there's a governance structure in place [12:17] to replace them. Only then will Israel [12:20] begin to withdraw. [12:22] And this was the whole issue that I told [12:24] that I said we have to watch for. It was [12:26] the whole problem with the 15-point [12:29] uh framework. [12:32] And I think here he is very subtly, very [12:35] diplomatically, without saying so, [12:37] actually walking back part of the [12:38] 15-point plan, [12:41] which [12:43] as Maladinov said in a in a in a in a [12:46] post on X, that withdrawal would be in [12:49] lock step with disarmament, [12:52] that it would be some sort of [12:53] simultaneous quid quit proquo process. [12:57] And here Jared Christian was saying, [12:58] "No, no, no, no, no. This is more like [13:00] the sequencing in the 20point plan that [13:02] kamas is to be completely disarmed [13:03] before Israel withdraws. So good to [13:05] hear. [13:06] >> And the Palestinian people has been [13:08] directly tied to the Abraham Accords and [13:10] your efforts to get more countries to [13:12] sign on to this agreement. Do you [13:15] believe the agreement will be expanded [13:17] under the Trump administration? So the [13:19] answer is yes. We have a lot of very [13:20] good active conversations going with [13:22] countries, some obvious, some not [13:24] obvious. And um and I think once we get [13:26] uh this Gaza situation moving forward, I [13:28] think that will hopefully deescalate uh [13:31] the the tensions here, we have to get [13:32] through the Israeli elections, which as [13:34] you know, Israeli politics are are [13:35] complicated, and then Israeli politics [13:37] in the election are even more [13:39] complicated. Uh and so hopefully when we [13:40] get after the Israeli election, there'll [13:42] be some opportunities for expansion, but [13:44] uh President Trump's been very very [13:45] focused on this. He's had great [13:47] conversations with many countries, and [13:49] it's the right it's the right thing to [13:50] do. And you know what's interesting too [13:51] about the Abraham Accords is that they [13:54] kind of took a different approach. [13:55] >> Okay, listen. This is so interesting. If [13:58] you've been spacing out, you want to get [14:00] back in here. Pay attention to this. [14:02] Look at this interest. Listen to what he [14:04] says about the Abraham Accords [14:05] >> approach to the region. And everyone [14:07] always said you can't have normalization [14:08] until the Palestinian issue is resolved. [14:11] But what we showed actually through the [14:13] uh first branch of the Abraham Accords [14:14] is that uh the Amiradis were actually [14:16] the biggest donors to Gaza and they've [14:18] done a ton to help the Palestinian [14:19] people and it's only by having relations [14:21] with Israel that they're able to help [14:23] the Palestinians hopefully achieve a [14:25] better outcome for themselves. Has the [14:26] >> Okay, [14:28] I I want to I want to explain to you [14:29] what he just said. He just said that, [14:32] you know, before the Abraham Accords, [14:35] the prevailing wisdom was we were always [14:37] told that you can't have peace with Arab [14:38] countries between Arab countries in [14:40] Israel without solving the Palestinian [14:41] issue. And lo and behold, look at the [14:43] Abraham Accords. The it was actually in [14:46] the reverse. The Amiratis the Amiratis [14:50] normalized with Israel. They made peace [14:51] with Israel. And as a result of that [14:53] peace with Israel, they improved life [14:56] for the Palestinian people. [14:58] didn't bring them a Palestinian state, [15:00] but it improved life for the Palestinian [15:02] people. So, he's justifying the Abraham [15:04] Accords that way. But he's also seems to [15:06] be implying something because the the [15:08] Emirates in the Abraham Accords, it says [15:11] that there will be work towards a [15:13] Palestinian state [15:16] as a kind of like commitment that there [15:17] will be some future work towards a [15:18] Palestinian state. [snorts] [15:21] that might have just been, you know, [15:23] window dressing [15:26] u, [15:27] you know, to that it had to be in there, [15:29] but that these countries actually didn't [15:31] care. But it's interesting that for [15:33] Jared Kushner's formulation, it might [15:35] what he seems to be implying is that the [15:38] Abraham Accords actually can facilitate [15:42] a better outcome for the Palestinians, [15:44] meaning possibly even facilitate their [15:47] aspirations for statehood. could come [15:49] out of the Abraham Accords, out of [15:51] bringing more more nations into peace [15:53] with Israel. I don't know exactly what [15:55] he's implying there, but I want to share [15:58] with you uh an interesting uh quote [16:02] here, and this is the this is from the [16:06] testimony that was submitted to Congress [16:08] by Ambassador, former ambassador David [16:11] Freriedman. [16:14] So, Ambassador Freeman uh now he gave [16:19] testimony on July 22nd just uh just last [16:22] month building a new regional security [16:24] architecture the next phase of the [16:26] Abraham Accords and it was testimony [16:27] that was given before the House [16:29] Committee on Foreign Affairs the [16:30] subcommittee on the Middle East and [16:31] North Africa u and uh his actual [16:36] testimony if you find the video of it [16:38] doesn't include everything that's in [16:39] this that's very common they give you a [16:41] few minutes to talk but there's a [16:42] submitted written testimony that goes [16:44] into the record. And this is that [16:46] testimony. Ambassador Freeman was kind [16:47] enough to share it with me. And I want [16:49] to show you one passage in it [16:53] right here. The fact that the Abraham [16:55] Accords did not resolve the Israeli [16:57] Palestinian conflict is a feature, not a [17:00] bug, of the deal. The Accord sent a [17:02] clear message to the Palestinians that [17:04] the days in which they held the Middle [17:06] East hostage had ended. The Middle East [17:08] would embark on a path to peace and [17:10] prosperity with or without them. and [17:13] they were well advised to think about [17:15] how to create a better future for their [17:16] people. Regrettably, the Palestinians [17:19] did not internalize this message. Aided [17:21] by a compliant Biden administration, [17:23] they continued to build terror tunnels, [17:25] to fire missiles at Israeli civilians, [17:27] to repress their own people, and even to [17:29] continue to the pay for slave program in [17:32] which large financial rewards were [17:34] provided by the Palestinian Authority to [17:35] terrorists who murdered Jews. I want to [17:38] emphasize [17:40] one point we all struggle with as we all [17:43] struggle with the challenge of expanding [17:44] the Abraham Accords. Israel already has [17:47] done the two-state experiment and that [17:50] folly almost destroyed the Jewish state. [17:52] We're talking about pulling out of Gaza. [17:54] Israel left Gaza entirely in 2005. It [17:56] handed the territory over to the [17:58] exclusive control of the Palestinians. [18:00] The world ran to throw money at this [18:01] Palestinianonly enclave to help it [18:04] succeed. But the residents of Gaza [18:07] elected kamas to power which proceeded [18:09] to deploy the Gaza funding for all the [18:13] wrong malign activities [18:17] which had which has been extensively [18:20] documented. When kamas attacked Israel [18:22] on October 7th, the residents cheered [18:26] and celebrated as did the Palestinians [18:28] in Judea and Samaria. Today kamas has [18:30] retained and even and even expanded its [18:33] popularity. Talk of a Palestinian state [18:35] in the halls of Congress or the or the [18:37] palaces of Europe is just wildly out of [18:39] touch with realities on the ground. [18:41] Importantly, all future Abraham Accords [18:43] partners understand those realities [18:45] well, as do middleclass Palestinians [18:48] living in Judea and Samaria. I know [18:50] them. They do not want to be ruled by [18:52] repressive, violent, and corrupt [18:53] leaders, which are the only leaders [18:56] currently or foreseeably available. A [18:58] Palestinian state will not advance the [19:00] Abraham Accords. It will destroy them. [19:03] it will consume the region with even [19:05] more conflict and violence. [19:08] beautifully said by ambassador David [19:10] Freriedman [19:11] and you know so so in his formulation [19:14] the Abraham Accords was actually taking [19:16] the Arab you know Arab countries saying [19:18] we're moving past the Palestinian issue [19:21] that we can't let it hijack the region [19:23] and and the Palis if the Palestinians [19:25] want a better life for themselves they [19:26] have to reconcile themselves with the [19:28] state of Israel and figure out a [19:30] different way to have a better life than [19:31] trying to destroy the state of Israel [19:33] the drive for Palestinian statethood is [19:35] a drive for the destruction of Israel [19:36] Jared Kushner's formula is well if the [19:38] Palestinians want a better outcome for [19:40] themselves, the pal the Abraham Accords [19:42] actually helps them because it brings [19:44] more Arab countries into better [19:45] relationship with Israel because it's a [19:47] totally different way of thinking of [19:48] things um you know [laughter] [19:50] uh in terms of the effect of the Abraham [19:52] Accords and there might be some logic to [19:54] what Jared Kushner is saying because [19:56] he's saying hey look if you have these [19:58] Abraham Accords countries that get [20:00] involved with relationships with Israel [20:01] and then they start advocating for a [20:03] Palestinian state it could help the [20:05] Palestinians or maybe when he says a [20:07] better outcome for Palestinians. It's [20:08] got nothing to do with a Palestinian [20:09] state. Um he's going to talk about a [20:12] Palestinian state a little bit more in [20:14] the next couple of minutes. Look what he [20:16] says. The [20:16] >> Trump administration ruled out [20:18] recognizing a Palestinian state. I think [20:20] before we could even talk about the [20:22] political nature of a state, what we [20:23] want to see is that the Palestinians can [20:26] govern themselves. And I think that with [20:27] the PA, uh they fall very short on the [20:30] standard you need for somebody who can [20:31] be qualified for a state. I think they [20:33] have a lot of reforms they need to do [20:35] which uh the Saudis, the French, [20:37] everyone agrees with us on and so uh the [20:39] government's been working on what the [20:40] right set of reforms are. Whether [20:42] they'll actually do it is another [20:43] question. They've been threatening to [20:44] reform for for a decade now. Um and then [20:47] in Gaza, if we have the National [20:48] Committee, which will be a Palestinian [20:50] technocratic committee, and they show [20:51] that they can govern in a way that [20:53] benefits the people of Gaza, then maybe [20:55] we can talk about a political horizon [20:57] later on in the future. But before you [20:59] do that, you need to establish that the [21:01] Palestinians could have governance that [21:03] number one uh can be uh make their [21:05] people and their neighbors secure and [21:06] number two can focus on creating [21:08] opportunities for their people uh to [21:10] live safely and have a better life and [21:12] create good economics and and good [21:13] investment in the place and and [21:15] hopefully uh live in a peaceful way. But [21:17] I believe Israel has a strong desire to [21:19] live in peace. They've been through now [21:21] uh three years of war. Uh it's been very [21:23] um very hard for the country, very hard [21:25] for the people. Um, I think there's a [21:27] lot of emotion in Israel and in the [21:29] region. Uh, but as I travel around the [21:31] region, I do think people are tired of [21:33] war. I think they're ready for something [21:34] new and uh, but it's just sometimes [21:36] hard, you know, who's going to take the [21:38] first step and how do you build trust [21:39] when there's so little trust that's now [21:41] been eroded. But we see a lot of [21:43] positive indications and President Trump [21:45] has, you know, pulled off miracles [21:46] before in the Middle East and he's very [21:47] committed to continuing to do things [21:49] that nobody thinks is possible. [21:51] >> Okay. Uh this was I I I was very happy [21:56] to hear this. Uh I thought it was very [21:58] refreshing to hear what he said about [22:01] the Palestinian Authority that they fall [22:04] very short of being able to govern that [22:07] they have lots of reforms that they have [22:09] to under that they have to undergo that [22:12] the mediators the Saudis the French [22:14] agree that they have to we have to work [22:16] out what those reforms are. It sounds [22:18] like they're actually having [22:19] conversations about specific reforms [22:21] that need to happen. And this is so [22:23] important. I made a video a few days ago [22:26] about the meeting between Erdogan and [22:27] Abbas. If you haven't seen it, you got [22:29] to see that video where I I I laid out [22:32] there that they the the the [22:36] Palestinian Authority side, the Turks, [22:38] the enemies of Israel are going to be [22:42] trying to sell us on the fact that the [22:44] Palestinian Authority has reformed and [22:47] their their evidence for reform is that [22:49] they're having elections. And I [22:51] predicted that this will be a narrative [22:53] that that is going to be fed to us. I [22:55] still believe it's going to happen. I [22:57] think we're going to hear that over the [22:58] next few months, especially around the [22:59] time of the Palestinian elections, [23:01] Palestinian Authority elections in [23:03] November. But here you hear you see [23:06] Jared Kushner saying, "No, no, no, no, [23:08] no. There's a whole bunch of reforms [23:10] that they are going to have to they're [23:11] going to have to go through and we're [23:12] talking about what those reforms are." I [23:14] sure hope that the Israelis are in those [23:17] conversations, and I'm sure they are, [23:19] saying, "These are the real reforms we [23:20] need them to undergo." But also what was [23:23] nice about this clip and I'll end here [23:26] is the way he talked about a Palestinian [23:28] state not as some imminent goal of this [23:31] whole thing which is how the 15point [23:33] framework at it as the first thing that [23:36] this is all about a pathway to a [23:37] Palestinian state and he says no no no [23:39] first we we're way way way off from that [23:41] first they have to show that they can [23:42] govern themselves and there needs to be [23:44] reform and we need to know that they [23:46] actually have some credible governance [23:48] and then we can that that could set the [23:51] conditions [23:52] in a kind of aspirational way. And I [23:54] liked hearing that because that brings [23:55] us back to the language [23:58] of of the original 20point peace plan. [24:02] And the original 20point peace plan. [24:06] Here it is. The Palestinian state only [24:09] appears all the way at the end in point [24:10] 19 of the 20 points. Look what it says. [24:13] While Gaza redevelopment advances and [24:16] when the PA reform program is faithfully [24:18] carried out, the conditions may finally [24:21] be in place for a credible pathway to [24:23] Palestinian self-determination and [24:25] statehood, which we recognize as the [24:27] aspiration of the Palestinian people. I [24:28] wouldn't be surprised to learn that [24:30] Jared Kushner even wrote that paragraph. [24:32] It sounds exactly like what he just said [24:33] in this interview. So, um, you know, we [24:37] have to we have to we have to keep a [24:40] level head. It's uh very common in the [24:42] pro-Israel community for when things [24:44] look like turning like they're turning [24:46] against us, we say, "Oh my gosh, [24:47] everyone's betrayed us, you know, the [24:48] sky is falling and if things are going [24:50] well, we think, you know, you know, the [24:51] redemption has arrived." We just have to [24:53] be very realistic and level-headed. The [24:55] Americans uh are are negotiating with [24:58] these people. We're skeptical about it. [25:01] You know, we don't like seeing Jared [25:03] Kushner sitting with Khalil Ala saying, [25:04] "Oh, we signed an agreement. It seems [25:06] naive." But I I think I think these [25:08] people are a little less naive than we [25:10] than we realize. Are they going to uh [25:13] still be with us when we really hold a [25:15] hard line and refuse to accept half [25:17] measures and and insist on the on the [25:22] agreements that we agreed to, the [25:23] 20point plan being implemented as [25:25] written uh sequentially and and in every [25:28] other way. I mean, there's still many [25:30] there's still many bumps in the road [25:32] ahead of us, but uh I was encouraged by [25:36] this interview uh with Jared Kushner. [25:39] Very interesting. Uh I hope you found [25:40] this interesting. We're going to leave [25:42] it there for now and I'll be back with [25:44] you with more with more tomorrow. Please [25:45] make sure you're subscribed to this [25:47] channel and please if you found this [25:48] interesting, share it with someone. [25:49] Think of one person you know who might [25:51] find this interesting. 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