Transcript [00:00] The human being is given the rights to [00:02] land and the rights to liberty by God [00:04] himself. And that's part of the message [00:06] of the Jubilee that every person is [00:08] given their portion of land directly [00:10] from God. That's in the verses there by [00:12] the Jubilee where God says the reason [00:13] the land goes back to the original [00:15] owners is because I'm the owner of the [00:16] land and God gives it to us directly. We [00:20] don't serve a government. We don't serve [00:21] human masters. And America, the the [00:23] founders really understood these ideas [00:25] at a theological level, not just at a [00:27] political level. Welcome to this episode [00:29] of Shouldertoshoulder, a podcast where a [00:31] pastor and a rabbi get to the heart of [00:32] issues that matter to people of faith. [00:34] I'm Pastor Doug Reed here with my friend [00:36] Rabbi Pesaki. And on this episode, we're [00:39] going to be having a conversation all [00:40] about America's 250th birthday and our [00:44] Judeo-Christian roots. Before we jump [00:46] into our conversation, please like our [00:49] Facebook page and join our Facebook [00:50] group, the Shoulder-to-Ser Community, [00:52] where you can interact with Pesak and [00:54] myself all week long. The best way to [00:57] support this podcast is to go on over to [00:59] Patreon and subscribe to our [01:00] shoulder-to-shoulder page. For just $10 [01:02] a month, you are helping us bring this [01:04] message of shoulder-to-shoulder to more [01:06] and more people all around the world. As [01:08] a thank you for your $10 subscription, [01:09] you get exclusive access to chapterby [01:11] chapter Bible study beginning in Genesis [01:14] chapter 1 from Rabbi Pes and myself. So, [01:16] go on over to Patreon, subscribe to [01:17] Shouldertoshoulder for just $10 a month. 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[02:37] Israelnetwork.org. one long word and uh [02:40] click the button in the top right corner [02:41] and sign up for the Israel Truth Network [02:44] newsletter and then you will be [02:45] wellarmed to combat the lies that are [02:47] spreading about Israel on a daily basis. [02:49] You can become a force multiplier by [02:51] sharing these fact sheets and really [02:53] becoming part of the solution to the [02:55] lies being told about Israel. The [02:57] Israelnetwork.org [02:59] doesn't cost you anything and it's a [03:01] good way for you to participate in the [03:02] fight for truth about Israel. [03:05] >> So important. So, make sure you stop by [03:06] there and get your information today. [03:10] Well, Pesak, uh you're looking a little [03:12] scruffy on the face there. Is there [03:14] something uh going on on the Jewish [03:16] calendar that our listeners should be [03:17] aware of? [03:18] >> Uh there is indeed. There is indeed. [03:20] Just uh just a few days ago was the 17th [03:23] day of Tamuz. The 17th day of Tamuz [03:25] begins a 3-week period of mourning for [03:28] the destruction of the temple that took [03:30] place uh back uh about 2,000 years ago, [03:32] back in the year 70 when the Romans [03:34] destroyed the temple. And 3 weeks before [03:37] the destruction of the temple, they [03:39] already had started destroying the [03:40] cities of the city of Jerusalem. They [03:42] breached the walls and started [03:44] slaughtering people and burning the [03:46] city. And it was it took them 3 weeks to [03:48] finally destroy the temple. So during [03:50] this entire 3-week period where is it's [03:52] a period of mourning. We don't have um [03:54] weddings and and live concerts and [03:56] things like that don't take place during [03:58] this 3-week period. And uh and we also [04:01] and we also observe the custom uh many [04:03] Jews observe the custom of not shaving [04:05] during that time. Uh unless there's a [04:08] unless there's some there's some need. [04:09] It's a custom. So if there's, you know, [04:11] if there's something special that comes [04:12] up that they have to shave for, we do. [04:14] Uh but it's a custom. And then as we get [04:17] closer to it, once we get to the first [04:19] day of the month of Av, which is the [04:21] last nine days of this 3-week period are [04:24] the first nine days of the month of Av. [04:26] On the ninth day of the month of Av was [04:27] the day of the destruction of the [04:28] temple. And that's a day of fasting as [04:30] was the 17th of Tamuz. [04:33] And uh and for those last nine days, the [04:36] morning rituals get a little bit [04:37] stricter. Um we refrain from eating meat [04:41] and drinking wine during that time. And [04:43] uh yeah, so this is a period of morning [04:45] to remind us of uh of what befell us [04:48] 2,000 years ago. [04:50] >> And we've discussed that before on the [04:51] podcast. you go back and find a previous [04:53] episode that we spent quite a good deal [04:55] of time discussing those historical [04:57] events and the practices around that. [04:59] Well, Pesak, I got to experience [05:01] something incredible. So, we finished in [05:03] Missouri and left Missouri and drove to [05:08] Kentucky. Now, there's not a whole lot [05:10] in Kentucky, but we stopped at the Ark [05:13] Encounter and Creation Museum by Ken [05:16] Ham. And it is, for those that don't [05:19] know, a big biblical [05:24] sized ark in the middle of Kentucky. And [05:28] we went with the kids and we spent a day [05:30] there. It was really nice. My [05:31] mother-in-law got us the tickets for [05:33] Christmas. And then Dr. Nathan Bonia, [05:36] uh, who worked at the Museum of the [05:37] Bible and worked with Ken Ham, was able [05:39] to get us some, uh, discount and [05:42] backroom access to some different [05:43] things. So, it was it was very cool. and [05:46] my kids got to experience all of it and [05:49] it was wild. It was the whole [laughter] [05:51] time I just felt like the Jurassic Park [05:54] music should have been playing like this [05:56] going back heard about this. I've never [05:58] been there. I have been to the state of [06:00] Kentucky. I gave a couple lectures at uh [06:02] Asbury uh at Asbury Seminary there a few [06:06] years ago and uh so I have been there at [06:08] least to that part of Kentucky. I've [06:10] never been to the ark. I know that they [06:12] built it according to the dimensions in [06:13] the book of Genesis so that it is the [06:15] right size [06:17] but I don't know what else goes on [06:18] there. Could you describe the [06:19] experience? Is it like do you have a [06:20] guided tour? Is there an audiovisisual [06:22] component? Do people explain things or [06:24] you just walk around? What exactly do [06:26] you see at this site? [06:27] >> Sure. So we actually put uh we have a [06:29] little 9minute YouTube video on the [06:31] readser here where we kind of documented [06:33] our [06:34] time there. [06:35] >> I'm behind I'm behind. So, it it just [06:38] uploaded a couple days ago because it [06:39] took me a little bit to edit because [06:40] I've been at my uh we're with my mom and [06:42] my grandma right now. So, I've been [06:43] trying to be present with family and [06:46] enjoying this space. But, so you get [06:48] there and the ark sits way way back. You [06:51] have to get shuttled to it. So, you park [06:53] and it's just massive just sitting out [06:55] there. And then you you walk up to it [06:58] and they have some animals and some [07:01] different things on the outside that you [07:02] can take pictures and check things out. [07:04] But you're you're kind of leading in and [07:05] you're going up the zigzag all the way [07:07] up into the ark and then it is huge. I [07:11] mean they have thousands of people and [07:12] so you just think of all the animals [07:14] that should be there and inside is [07:17] replicas of everything. So they have [07:19] pens not with live animals inside. It's [07:21] all mannequin uh like animals or plastic [07:26] figurines. And they have Noah and his [07:28] family. They have living quarters. They [07:30] have all sorts of stuff laid out. They [07:32] have a little area where they would [07:33] worship. They had all kinds of neat [07:37] things. And then uh each deck of the ark [07:40] has different portions to it. So they [07:42] walk you through the seven days of [07:43] creation. They walk you through there's [07:45] an exhibit on uh the ice age and they [07:48] they look at a young earth versus an old [07:50] earth uh theory. They look at uh there's [07:53] my one of my favorite rooms was they had [07:55] all of the flood myths from various [07:59] cultures that were on display. So you [08:01] could read a little nugget about it and [08:02] they had videos and they had other [08:04] stuff. So you had Gilgamesh and you had [08:06] the uh Aadian flood narrative, you had [08:09] the Native American flood narrative and [08:11] literally all over the world have these [08:13] flood narratives and various uh [08:16] similarities but that a flood whether [08:18] local or global destroyed things and the [08:22] deity saved one person. So I found that [08:24] very fascinating. But yeah, we went [08:27] through and they had everything from [08:28] what it was made of. They had all kinds [08:30] of background on the technology that [08:32] would have been available to Noah. So [08:34] this is probably how things would have [08:36] been. This is how he would have stored [08:37] the animals. This is how they would have [08:38] gotten enough feed and water. And uh [08:42] much of it when it was biblically based, [08:44] they would have a verse on the wall and [08:45] say this is what God said, so this is [08:47] what we have displayed. And then other [08:49] times where the Bible doesn't say [08:52] exactly how the animals were stored or [08:54] what the living quarters were like [08:57] essentially they would say based on the [08:59] time period and the technology available [09:02] this is what we would speculate it look [09:04] educated guess as to what it could have [09:06] looked like and uh we found it very [09:09] fascinating. So it's a lot of stills [09:11] they have several video ports and [09:13] presentations and various things that [09:15] take place all day long. every 30 [09:17] minutes they have somebody doing a a [09:19] different display. You could spend I I [09:21] could see a full like two days uh there [09:24] like just taking it all in. It's a lot [09:27] of uh stuff. We we spent about 3 and 1 [09:31] half 4 hours and saw the major [09:34] highlights. Ate lunch and then they have [09:37] a a small zoo that's there as well with [09:40] uh various animals. [09:42] >> And then I I want to get your This is [09:44] very controversial. My kids were [09:46] debating this. I was struggling uh with [09:49] it a little bit because I had not seen [09:51] this theory presented as uh they [09:55] presented it almost as fact. But they [09:58] had dinosaurs on the ark and uh it took [10:02] me back a little bit. Um and I get uh [10:05] you know the the philosophy of the young [10:07] earth theory and all of that, but they [10:09] had like like pterodactyls hit a cage [10:12] and my kids were like, "Huh?" [10:15] and we were having this whole discussion [10:16] around it. So they they had some [10:18] theories placed throughout on you know [10:21] the dinosaurs and were they around and [10:23] if you're a young earth person uh you [10:25] know Noah would have had uh dinosaurs on [10:28] the ark and etc. What does what does [10:31] Peso think about dinosaurs on the ark? [10:33] It took me back like one of the one of [10:35] the mirror I was like [10:36] >> I honestly [10:37] >> I honestly have zero opinion of this [10:40] because it's the it's never even once [10:44] crossed my mind until this moment until [10:46] I'm just going to be straight with you. [10:47] It's I don't have a readymade opinion on [10:51] this matter. I don't really have an [10:53] opinion on uh on the dinosaur thing. But [10:56] you know on a more on a serious note [10:58] when it comes to this whole issue of the [10:59] age of the earth and [11:01] >> and you know uh you know earthly years [11:03] versus some other way of counting time [11:06] before there was humans or all these [11:08] different you know and all of the debate [11:10] about you know the you know how [11:11] literally do we take the you know the [11:13] creation story and age of the earth. I'm [11:16] going to say something that maybe our [11:18] longtime listeners won't be surprised by [11:20] this being my opinion, but I actually [11:23] find this to be a [11:26] an interesting but not very [11:29] consequential topic. A lot of people [11:30] take it super seriously as though the [11:32] entire veracity of the Bible is riding [11:34] on it. [11:35] >> My attitude is that [11:38] >> it literally does not matter. Like if [11:40] we're arguing about the future, we're [11:42] arguing about about esquetology, about [11:44] what the what the endgame looks like. So [11:48] that has much more practical value [11:50] because what what end goal are we [11:52] working towards? [11:53] >> Sure. But if we're and if we're talking [11:55] about an a seinal event that shapes who [11:58] we are, the exodus from Egypt, the [12:01] giving of the Torah at Sinai or or [12:03] something like that. So that also it [12:05] matters what took place there because [12:08] that's an event that shapes us and if [12:10] it's true or not true has implications [12:13] on the question of the age of the earth [12:15] and dinosaurs and and such things. [12:20] People look at that as as though the [12:22] entire [12:25] legitimacy of the truth of the Bible [12:28] rests on that because they mistake [12:31] literalism for truth and they're not the [12:34] same thing. There are allegorical [12:37] passages in the Bible. There are. and [12:40] where you draw the line about what's an [12:42] allegorical passage or an allegorical [12:44] description of something and what isn't [12:47] and before there's a human being those [12:50] first six days of creation what those [12:53] days actually were how do you count [12:55] those days these are all the types of [12:57] questions that again lots of ink has [12:59] been spilled over the years books have [13:00] been written people fighting on either [13:02] side calling each other heretics this [13:04] goes back centuries and centuries and [13:06] frankly when I think about theology and [13:09] about the Bible and about these things. [13:11] Whether God is teaching us lessons [13:15] through the narrative of creation, even [13:18] if it's not literal or if it is literal, [13:20] the purpose of the Bible is not to teach [13:22] us science anyway. It's to teach us how [13:24] to live our lives best. It's God's [13:26] truth. And however he's choosing to [13:29] describe what he did in that creation, [13:31] he's choosing to describe it that way. [13:32] and how long it actually took according [13:34] to human human uh days and years doesn't [13:38] really matter all that much to me. We [13:40] might have some listeners who think that [13:41] I'm a heretic for saying this. So be it. [13:44] But I just can't be convinced to care [13:46] either way. If you know, is it a literal [13:48] six days? Fine. Is it actually not a [13:50] literal six days? Because there's a [13:52] verse in Psalms that says a thousand [13:54] years are a day for God, so it's a [13:55] longer period of time. Fine. Either way, [13:58] I'm not really committed. You know, it [14:00] goes back to an episode we did with Dr. [14:03] Burman about biblical literalism. I [14:04] mean, that's an early episode of the [14:07] broadcast, five, six, and that's an [14:09] early that's a singledigit episode. And [14:13] do Dr. Burman talked about biblical [14:15] literalism. And I think for a lot of [14:17] Christians, we are, especially [14:20] evangelicals, we are taught to take the [14:22] Bible literally. And so that is why I [14:26] think the Creation Museum, the Ark [14:28] Encounter, it draws [14:30] tens of thousands of tourists, probably [14:32] hundreds of thousands of tourists a [14:34] year, Christian tourists coming because [14:36] they literally take the Bible. They see [14:38] it as a young earth theory. And I would [14:41] really uh I really think it would be a [14:43] fascinating we should dive back into an [14:45] episode like that on this topic cuz I [14:47] think a lot of our Christian audience [14:49] will think you're a heretic and I think [14:52] it would be fun to spar a little bit and [14:54] have somebody on that perhaps we can [14:56] have two guests on. One that is uh [14:58] biblical literalism and one that is uh [15:00] you know looking at things through the [15:02] allegorical lens. It' be it'd be fun to [15:04] to flush that out a little bit. [15:06] >> Yeah. And just a final word on this just [15:09] so people don't look at me too badly, [15:11] you know, too negatively as too much of [15:13] a heretic. There's a difference between [15:16] taking the Bible literally and taking it [15:18] seriously. And God has, [clears throat] [15:21] if God chooses to say something in an [15:24] allegorical manner or when we have [15:26] narratives in the Bible of the same [15:28] event told differently and there seem to [15:30] be contradictions in there and you have [15:31] this in the New Testament as well, [15:33] >> correct? And people start to tie [15:35] themselves up into knots. And as Dr. [15:37] Burman uh pointed out, and for those of [15:40] you who don't know, this is Rabbi Dr. [15:42] Professor Joshua Burman from Barilon [15:44] University. He's a worldrenowned [15:46] biblical scholar, a devout Orthodox Jew, [15:48] a great scholar, and uh he's he's [15:51] written about this extensively, and we [15:52] had him on one of the very first [15:53] episodes of Shouldertoshoulder. If you [15:55] want to go on to the archive on on [15:57] Spotify or wherever you're listening to [15:58] this, just go [15:59] >> and 23. We we had him on episode 4 and [16:02] episode 23. 23, I think, is about Egypt [16:05] cuz he had just gotten back from his [16:06] Egypt trip. But episode 4, I believe, is [16:09] biblical literalism with Dr. Burman. It [16:11] was [16:11] >> Yeah, it's worth listening to. But it it [16:14] does not in any way diminish my high [16:16] view of scripture and my belief that [16:19] every single word of the Bible is the [16:20] inherent word of God. It's just a [16:22] question of how are stories told by God [16:25] in the Bible. That's enough said on this [16:28] topic. I don't want to scare too many [16:29] people away right now, Doug. [16:31] >> No. And it's an incredible experience. I [16:33] think anybody just to see the ark's [16:35] sheer size biblically that God gave to [16:38] Noah is incredible. It literally feels [16:41] like it's biblical. It's huge. And was a [16:44] very great experience. It gave some [16:46] great conversations for my wife and I [16:48] with the kids. and we we had a wonderful [16:51] time with it. And now we've arrived in [16:53] New Jersey because we had to celebrate [16:55] America 250th birthday and we spoke at a [16:59] church here in New Jersey. I got my Bass [17:02] Pro Shop hat on for those of you that [17:03] are just listening. It's got the [17:04] American flag going on in the back. I [17:06] picked that up in Missouri at the [17:08] largest Bass Pro Shop in the country, in [17:11] the world for that matter. It was huge. [17:13] Lots of guns, lots of America. and we uh [17:17] celebrated America 250 here with family [17:20] in New Jersey. So, Peso, it is exciting [17:23] to see America turn 250 years old. [17:26] There's lots that I am grateful for. I [17:28] am proud to be an American. I'm so [17:30] grateful uh to have that passport and [17:33] just there's so many great things about [17:36] uh this country. So many privileges and [17:38] freedoms that you don't have anywhere [17:40] else in the world. And I know you love [17:42] America as well. I do. Uh, and it's it's [17:45] such a special place. And so we we've [17:47] loved celebrating and love the the whole [17:50] atmosphere, especially around the World [17:52] Cup right now, which is interesting to [17:54] say because you're watching all of these [17:56] Europeans and foreigners love America. [17:58] The videos are awesome cuz they are [18:01] appreciating all the things that we take [18:04] for granted. And it just makes me draw [18:07] so much joy from being an American, [18:09] watching these Swedes and Germans and [18:12] Fins come over here and they're like, [18:14] "Oh my gosh, barbecue." And like just [18:16] trying food and they're like blown away [18:18] or walking into Walmart being like, [18:20] "What is this? This is huge. How do you [18:22] know you guys have all these options for [18:24] shopping and we literally don't [18:27] understand how privileged we are. We [18:28] take for granted the place that we live [18:30] in. And so I am super proud to be an [18:34] American. [18:35] >> Amen. You know, and you mentioned that I [18:38] love America. I have a very interesting [18:40] relationship with the United States of [18:42] America. I think it's a little bit [18:43] unique in that while I was born in the [18:45] United States, we left the United States [18:48] when I was 2 years old and moved to [18:51] Canada. My father beca uh took a pulpit [18:54] as a rabbi of a large synagogue in [18:56] Montreal. And I lived in Montreal until [18:59] I was 14 years old. And then I went to [19:00] Toronto, stayed in Canada, and I went to [19:03] high school and college in Toronto. I [19:05] spent a couple years in Israel. In [19:06] between there, my father took a [19:08] sabbatical in sixth. When I was in sixth [19:10] grade, I was in Jerusalem. And then [19:11] again after high school, as most uh [19:14] modern Orthodox Jewish kids do after [19:16] high school, I went to Israel to study [19:18] uh in a yeshiva in a in a Jewish [19:20] seminary for a year. Then I came back to [19:22] Canada for college. So I spent basically [19:24] from age 2 till age 23 I grew up in [19:28] Canada but we never became Canadian [19:30] citizens. We were what's called landed [19:32] immigrants which is like a sort of you [19:34] know you're not a citizen just living in [19:36] you know living there. Um [19:39] but I so I always I knew I was American. [19:42] I identified as American. My only [19:43] passport was American growing up. But to [19:47] whatever extent you can be culturally [19:49] Canadian and it is a different culture. [19:50] I know Americans think that Canada is [19:52] just like a bunch of, you know, they're [19:53] similar to Americans. It's not uh in [19:56] terms of sports and music. There's [19:57] different tastes up there. So, I'm very [19:59] there's a lot of Canadian in me and I [20:02] didn't have a strong American identity [20:03] other than that most of my friends were [20:05] Canadian and I was American. [20:07] One person in my life who really [20:09] inculcated a lot of American identity in [20:12] me was my was my grandfather on my [20:15] mother's side who had served in the US [20:18] Army and also was a great he loved [20:21] collecting things and giving gifts and [20:23] when I was a kid and I kept this for a [20:26] long time I don't believe I have it [20:28] anywhere it could be it's in a box [20:29] somewhere it was 1976 it was the [20:32] bsentennial 50 years ago I was six years [20:35] old and He gave me I think he gave each [20:38] of us each me and my brothers. He gave [20:40] me this set of commemorative coins. 1976 [20:46] coin set that was like in this nice uh [20:49] it was in this fancy uh you know [20:51] cardboard uh sealed sealed thing with [20:55] plastic on it where you could see the [20:56] coins inside. [20:58] And I kept it for a long time. I mean, [20:59] he gave us a lot of Americana stuff over [21:02] the years, and we would sometimes travel [21:03] to the United States, but I didn't have [21:05] a but I didn't have a strong [21:07] relationship to America, but it was [21:10] only, ironically, I lived in the United [21:12] States only after that as an adult. I'd [21:14] moved to the States for a year. Uh, [21:17] after college, I I worked in New York [21:19] City and then I moved to Israel and then [21:20] I came back with my wife to work as a [21:22] rabbi for a few years. But my real [21:24] relationship with America, my love for [21:26] America, my passion for America is far [21:29] more recent. Even though I've been an [21:30] American citizen my whole life, it's [21:32] when I when I got involved in Jewish [21:34] Christian relations starting about, you [21:37] know, full-time starting about 11 years [21:38] ago, it is. And I started traveling all [21:41] across America because of that work and [21:44] driving a lot in America and building [21:46] relationships with people in different [21:48] states and really experiencing America [21:51] and Americans in a different way is when [21:55] I really fell in love with America and [21:58] uh I I I I do love America. I care [22:01] deeply about America. I have I have very [22:02] strong feelings. You know that we've [22:04] talked about this. America is wonderful. [22:06] So, it's just an it's an interesting [22:07] relationship because yes, I've been [22:09] American my whole life, but my real [22:10] passion, my passionate love for America, [22:13] my appreciation for America has really [22:15] come through my relationships with so [22:17] many different types of Americans in all [22:18] different parts of the country. So, now [22:20] I'm at a point that in many different [22:22] states all over America, I have I have [22:25] intimate relationships, you know, good [22:26] friends of mine, communities that I [22:28] speak to on a regular basis where I know [22:29] people and it gives me a sense of [22:31] connection wherever I am in America. So, [22:34] I love the place. Oh, it's it's [22:36] beautiful. And I think it's been so [22:38] interesting to watch as this birthday [22:41] has arrived, this anniversary, 250 [22:44] years, because you have a whole bunch of [22:46] people that live here that really don't [22:48] like the country. They they do [22:50] everything they can to uh degrade, [22:53] downplay, and you and I would be the [22:56] first people to say America is not a [22:57] perfect place, but it is the best place [23:00] on earth. It is a an incredible picture [23:04] of uh what a a nation can do, what [23:07] people can do. And I just look at our [23:10] history with all of its warts, all of [23:12] its issues, and I still look back with [23:16] incredible fondness and appreciation for [23:19] the sacrifice and the blood that was [23:21] shed and all of that for what we have [23:23] today. Like, I'm so glad for my kids, [23:26] for my wife. And I know it sounds like [23:28] I'm over the top with this, but [23:30] genuinely like the the the patriotism [23:33] that we that we feel it comes from a [23:36] real deep place cuz the founders care [23:38] deeply for the spirit of the place, for [23:42] uh the heart behind things. It was built [23:44] on biblical values. It's a [23:45] Judeo-Christian [23:47] root system. I mean, heck, Benjamin [23:49] Franklin, you wanted to put the the [23:52] parting of the Red Sea on the national [23:54] seal. I mean, the the most quoted book [23:57] by the founders uh in all of their [23:59] letters and writings was the book of [24:01] Deuteronomy. They wanted this to be [24:03] established as a Christian nation. And I [24:05] I just think it's so important for us to [24:08] recognize those Judeo-Christian roots. [24:10] >> So, that's exactly what I want to do, [24:12] Doug. And I want to share a passage. I [24:15] might have shared it on the podcast once [24:17] before. I might have read this, but I [24:18] want to share a passage uh that I find [24:22] to be such a powerful explanation, an [24:25] expression of that biblical idea that [24:28] under that under that undergirds [24:31] everything America is. And I'm actually [24:33] using it in a book that I'm working on. [24:35] Um now, I've never told anyone about [24:37] this book yet because I didn't want to, [24:38] you know, didn't know if I was going to [24:40] get deep enough into it. But I'm I'm [24:42] four chapters into writing a book. It's [24:44] probably going to be about 12 chapters [24:45] long about [24:49] what the book's actually about is about [24:51] how the what we call the red green [24:52] alliance, the the alliance between is [24:55] between Islamists and Marxists [24:58] is actually deeply ideological [25:02] and that their shared enemy is Jews and [25:05] Christians because the biblical because [25:08] the biblical ideas really run counter to [25:10] the shared ideas of Marxism and Islam. I [25:12] don't want to get into that now. Uh I'm [25:14] working on the book. I the outline's all [25:16] done. I'm writing the chapters, but in [25:18] one of the chapters of the book, I I [25:20] quote this passage from a book called uh [25:24] Little Town on the Prairie by Laura [25:25] Ingles Wilder from the Little House on [25:28] the Prairie series. And I came across [25:31] this passage when I was uh reading a [25:34] bedtime story to one of my daughters [25:37] many years ago uh more than a decade ago [25:41] when [25:43] when my youngest daughter was young [25:46] enough to be getting bedtime stories. My [25:48] wife decided that instead of reading a [25:49] different little story every night, she [25:51] would go through chapter by chapter the [25:53] entire Little House series. And [25:55] occasionally I would put my daughter to [25:57] bed and I'd pick up the book and [25:58] wherever the bookmark was, I'd read that [26:00] chapter. So I have not read the series, [26:02] but I've read occasional chapters [26:04] scattered through it. [26:07] And there was there's a chapter in there [26:09] about a July 4th celebration. [26:14] And I think according to the chronology [26:16] of what she's describing, it took place [26:17] in 1881 in Desmitt, South Dakota, where [26:22] Ma and Pa and Laura and Mary lived. Uh [26:26] their homestead was nearby. So Laura was [26:28] 14 years old at the time. [26:31] And she describes standing at this July [26:35] 4th celebration in Dismet. They go into [26:37] town for the July 4th celebration. [26:40] and the the Independence Day celebration [26:43] in dismant what they would they did [26:45] something that a lot of Americans did [26:47] for many years on July 4th but I [26:50] understand has fallen out of custom [26:52] which is that they would have a public [26:54] reading of the Declaration of [26:55] Independence. People would gather in the [26:57] town square and there would be a public [26:58] reading of the Declaration of [26:59] Independence. They would sing. [27:01] >> There was no national anthem yet. The [27:02] Star Spangle Banner only became the [27:04] national anthem much later. [27:06] And there were different songs that [27:08] people con considered kind of like a [27:10] national anthem that would be sung. So [27:12] that's what she describes and I want to [27:13] read you this passage because it's [27:15] remarkable. [27:17] So it opens this passage opens with the [27:20] lyrics of one of the stanzas of the song [27:25] America my country is of thee. [27:28] Uh which is sung you know my country is [27:31] of thee sweet land of liberty of thee. I [27:34] sing you know the song right? Yes. [27:36] >> So, here's the passage. My country is of [27:39] thee. Sweet land of liberty of thee I [27:42] sing. Long may our land be bright with [27:46] freedom's holy light. Protect us by thy [27:49] might, great God our king. And then [27:53] Laura writes, "The crowd begins began to [27:58] scatter, but Laura stood stock still. [28:02] Suddenly she had a completely new [28:05] thought. The declaration and the song [28:08] came together in her mind and she [28:10] thought God is America's king. She [28:15] thought Americans won't obey any king on [28:18] earth. Americans are free. That means [28:21] they have to obey their own consciences. [28:24] No king bosses pa. He has to boss [28:27] himself. Why? She thought, "When I'm a [28:30] little older, Pa and Ma will stop [28:32] telling me what to do, and there isn't [28:34] anyone else who has the right to give me [28:36] orders. I will have to make myself [28:38] good." [28:40] Her whole mind seemed to be lighted up [28:42] by that thought. This is what it means [28:45] to be free. It means you have to be [28:49] good. Our father's God, author of [28:54] liberty. The laws of nature and of [28:58] nature's God endow you with the right to [29:01] life and liberty. Then you have to keep [29:04] the laws of God. For God's law is the [29:08] only thing that gives you a right to be [29:11] free. That's the passage. And I remember [29:15] I was reading it to my daughter. She [29:16] must have been 5 years old or something. [29:18] and I just like stopped reading cuz I [29:20] was thinking about it. I mean, it's like [29:22] a theological discourse. [29:24] >> Yeah. [29:24] >> I just want to sum up what she says [29:26] there. It's brilliant. What she says [29:28] there is [29:31] when we recognize that God is our king. [29:36] When we have faith in God, that faith [29:40] means that we are liberated from serving [29:44] any human master. But that liberty [29:49] becomes responsibility. It makes demands [29:51] on us because if we answer only to God, [29:54] but we chose that we chose to answer [29:56] only to God. But once we answer only to [29:58] God, it's our responsibility [30:01] to [30:03] to steward our lives accordingly because [30:06] no one else is in charge of us. We're in [30:09] charge of ourselves. That places the [30:10] responsibility on us. It's also it also [30:13] speaks even though she's writing this [30:14] about something in 1881, people didn't [30:16] think about this at the time, but if you [30:18] think about what big government and [30:20] socialism and those other types of [30:22] systems are, is they're actually [30:24] removing responsibility from the [30:26] individual. But at the same time, they [30:29] also limit freedom. Those two things go [30:30] together. So America is both a land of [30:33] of of freedom, it's also a land of [30:36] responsibility. I mean this is because [30:38] they go together. It's a really [30:40] beautiful passage and it makes me think [30:43] about [30:45] um about the ten commandments that at [30:47] the very beginning of the ten [30:48] commandments the opening line of the ten [30:51] commandments is I am the lord your god [30:53] who brought you out of the land of Egypt [30:57] out of the house of bondage [31:00] and Doug you've heard me say many times [31:02] the bible doesn't include underline or [31:04] bold or or italics the way things are [31:07] stressed in the Bible is through [31:09] needless repetition ition. What looks [31:10] like needless repetition. When the Bible [31:12] repeats a concept, that's the way it [31:14] underlines it. And think about that [31:16] verse again. I am the Lord your God who [31:19] brought you out of the land of Egypt, [31:20] out of the house of bondage. This is [31:22] Exodus 20. By that point, everyone [31:25] reading the book knows that Egypt is the [31:27] house of bondage. You could just say, [31:28] I'm the Lord your God who brought you [31:30] out the land of Egypt. Or I'm the Lord [31:32] your God who brought you out of the [31:33] house of bondage. Why is it it's [31:34] repeated in order to draw attention to [31:36] that? That God is introducing himself. [31:39] He doesn't introduce himself by saying, [31:41] "I'm your I'm the Lord your God who [31:43] created heaven and earth." He doesn't [31:44] say, "I'm the Lord your God, God of your [31:46] forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." [31:48] Those those would have been very fine [31:50] ways for God to introduce himself. They [31:52] would have struck us as sure. [31:54] >> And he uses that elsewhere. Correct. But [31:56] here, God introduces himself [31:59] specifically. I am the Lord your God who [32:01] brought you out of the house of Egypt, [32:03] out of the house of bondage. In other [32:04] words, God is saying, I liberated you. I [32:07] gave you liberty. And that is followed [32:10] by the covenant of law. It really [32:13] expresses exactly what Laura is saying [32:16] here. This is what she writes in that [32:18] book for kids is a very deep theological [32:20] concept. It's that true freedom when God [32:24] God grants us liberty from human [32:26] masters. That's what a covenant with God [32:28] means. Think about that. This is Sinai. [32:30] This is the covenantal moment. And God's [32:32] opening words are, "I liberate you from [32:35] human masters." And what does that then [32:38] mean? It means that we can enter a [32:40] covenant because you're not just a a [32:42] slave who's going to submit. You are a [32:45] covenantal partner with me. You make [32:47] choices. The people of Israel have to [32:50] agree to accept the Torah. We see that [32:52] in Exodus 19 where Moses brings this [32:55] idea of the covenant to the people and [32:56] the people agree to it. God asks Moses [32:59] God tells Moses to get their agreement. [33:01] Meaning God the entire concept of our [33:04] covenant with God is that the liberty he [33:06] provides us empowers us and gives us [33:09] responsibility. And I think that [33:11] encapsulates what Laura Engles Wilder [33:13] was saying there and it encapsulates [33:15] what makes America such a great place. [33:17] you know, outsiders who or shallow [33:20] thinkers will look at America and say, [33:21] "Oh, you know, there there's, you know, [33:24] there's no universal health care or [33:26] there's no there's no safety nets that [33:27] other that other countries have." What [33:29] there is is freedom and individual [33:31] responsibility and and there's a respect [33:33] for individual human agency. It's a and [33:36] Americans are entrepreneurial and [33:37] risktakers and creative and that's what [33:40] part of what's made America so great. [33:42] But it all goes back to the idea that it [33:44] empowers the human being to take agency [33:47] over their own lives, which is, I [33:48] believe, what the, you know, what the [33:51] Bible wants from us. Also, I don't think [33:52] there's ever been a more biblically [33:55] based society than the United States of [33:56] America. Not just because they it's true [33:58] they quoted Deuteronomy a lot and they [33:59] were people who believed in the Bible [34:01] but the whole concept of a society that [34:04] based this way there is no authority in [34:06] the Bible of people over other people [34:09] that is mandated other than parents over [34:12] children even the king is it it says [34:15] explicitly in Deuteronomy if you want to [34:17] appoint a king you can appoint a king [34:18] meaning if the people of Israel never [34:20] want a king they don't have to have a [34:21] king it's only if they choose to have [34:23] one you know there's there's a caveat [34:25] given to the appointment of a king there [34:27] where it says if you choose to have a [34:29] king have a king. I mean you have to [34:30] have judges and you have to have judges [34:32] and and police officers for law [34:34] enforcement but in terms of governmental [34:36] authority it's bottom up. The human [34:38] being is given the rights to land and [34:41] the rights to liberty by God himself. [34:44] And that's part of the message of the [34:45] Jubilee that every person is given the [34:48] their portion of land directly from God. [34:51] That's in the verses there by the [34:52] Jubilee where God says the reason the [34:54] land goes back to the original owners is [34:56] because I'm the owner of the land and [34:58] God gives it to us directly. We don't [35:01] have this uh we don't serve a [35:03] government. We don't serve human [35:04] masters. And America the the founders [35:07] really understood these ideas at a [35:09] theological level, not just at a [35:10] political level. And you see what a what [35:13] an amazing blessing America has been and [35:15] how how that freedom has really led to [35:17] so much flourishing uh and so much good [35:20] in the world. Well, and I think an [35:22] interesting study for some of our [35:23] listeners if you want to h have an [35:25] interesting study is look at the [35:27] Declaration of Independence and look at [35:28] the Constitution and read the Torah side [35:32] by side with that, particularly the book [35:33] of Deuteronomy, and you're going to pick [35:35] up language and concepts that our [35:38] founders wo into both of those documents [35:41] that they didn't come up with. uh God [35:44] came up with them and they took them and [35:46] maybe they uh tweaked and put them in [35:49] more American or modern vernacular. But [35:51] the idea that we're given these rights [35:55] to life, liberty, and the pursuit of [35:57] happiness, we are endowed by our [35:58] creator. We're not given them by [36:00] government, that comes straight out of [36:02] the Bible. And so, you know, the idea [36:06] that people say, "Oh, we're not a [36:10] Christian nation. We're not founded on [36:12] Western values. You know, we people make [36:14] all these silly arguments like just read [36:17] the history, read the text, and you'll [36:19] find so much of the language and the [36:21] parallels are right there. You can [36:24] almost lift them right out of certain [36:25] verses and and even the character of the [36:29] men themselves. No. Were they all [36:31] bibleelving Christians like uh we would [36:35] look at today? Were they evangelicals? [36:37] No. Some of them were das. Some of them [36:39] had various backgrounds and various [36:41] belief systems. Some were Quakers and uh [36:44] but they all came to the same place [36:47] because they used the same text. They [36:49] used the same uh book and they they came [36:52] to the spot and they agreed on western [36:55] values together and how to govern a [36:57] nation literally is lifted out of the [37:01] book [snorts] of Deuteronomy, out of the [37:02] Bible. [37:03] >> Yeah. And in and going back to the book [37:05] of Deuteronomy, I mentioned the king [37:06] before and that and the fact that that [37:08] the king had to be uh the king was only [37:11] appointed if the people want a king, [37:13] which is a point that a lot of people [37:14] miss when they're reading reading the [37:16] Bible. They think, "Oh yeah, according [37:18] to the Bible, we're supposed to appoint [37:19] kings. How can you say that the Bible's [37:20] into liberty when they had kings?" But [37:23] they because we're modern people and we [37:26] live in the age of, [37:28] >> you know, after the age of kingdoms of [37:30] the ancient world that we lose sight of [37:32] how radical what the Bible was actually [37:33] saying is because in that passage where [37:36] it where it talks about appointing the [37:37] king and it says when you come to the [37:38] land and you say I will appoint a king [37:41] upon myself like all the nations around [37:43] me, then you should appoint a king. And [37:44] that's where it literally says it's only [37:46] when the people want it. But then what [37:48] follows is a series of laws [37:51] about the king that to an ancient person [37:55] in the ancient near east would have [37:56] seemed insane. They talk about how the [37:59] king can't have too many wives. He can't [38:01] accumulate too much money. He can't [38:02] accumulate too many horses. And he has [38:04] to write a book of the Torah, a book of [38:06] law, and and read from it every day so [38:09] that he not think of himself as higher [38:14] as above his brethren. What? What the [38:16] king is supposed to not think of himself [38:18] as above his brethren and the king is [38:20] subject to the same laws as everyone [38:22] else. So all of the rules for a king [38:24] there are the people appoint him only [38:27] when they want one. Not not too much [38:29] money, not too many horses, not too many [38:31] wives, and make sure you stay humble and [38:33] you don't think that you're better than [38:34] everyone else. That's like if you were [38:37] living in a different in a different [38:39] country, in a different nation in the [38:40] ancient world where they were king like [38:42] kings were the law. anyone insulted them [38:46] off with your head. It was just it was a [38:47] it was a completely different world. So [38:51] the if you're living at the time that [38:52] the Torah was written, you're living [38:54] 3,300 years ago and you read that [38:56] passage how it describes a king, you're [38:57] like, "Whoa, this is not even really a [39:00] king." [39:01] >> Yeah. [39:02] >> All it does is limit his power. So the [39:04] concept of limited government, the [39:06] concept of the consent of the governed [39:09] >> all comes from that. [39:10] >> It all comes directly out of the Bible. [39:14] So, I have to ask Peso, not to totally [39:16] pivot off this topic, but Israel and [39:19] Israelis are pretty appreciative and [39:22] pretty big fans of the United States. I [39:24] saw at the time, [39:26] >> I believe it's the Makabi games that uh [39:28] when the American teams came in, they [39:31] had did the opening processional, they [39:32] got like a standing ovation. Everybody [39:34] was very appreciative. They were there [39:36] with America's 250th birthday. I saw on [39:40] the walls of uh the old city they had [39:43] American flags. I saw a lot of [39:45] appreciation. Was there any particular [39:47] celebrations in Israel or things you [39:50] were aware of that went on uh or just [39:52] individuals celebrating uh America? [39:55] >> There's individuals celebrating in uh in [39:58] some places in Israel. You'll see [39:59] American flags up in honor of the 250th. [40:04] Uh right now I'm in Ashcolon and driving [40:07] into Ashkalone there were American flags [40:09] lining the streets just in just to honor [40:12] America for the 250th. But yes, Israelis [40:15] love the United States of America. [40:16] Israelis are are extremely grateful to [40:18] the United States of America. [40:19] >> I know that Prime Minister Netanyahu put [40:21] out a video the other day thanking [40:22] America and uh and expressing his you [40:25] know expressing his his his well his [40:28] good wishes to Americans. Yeah. Uh, [40:30] Israelis Israelis do have a great [40:32] appreciation for America. You know, when [40:34] I I occasionally walk around with a with [40:37] a with a Trump shirt, very patriotic [40:40] Trump uh shirt from the campaign. I have [40:42] a couple of them and I'll only get [40:45] positive comments. And that's not just [40:46] about Trump. It's about America for from [40:48] Israeli perspective. They don't get into [40:49] the weeds of all the infighting over [40:51] Trump. To them, he's just this [40:53] >> he's this great president in America [40:54] who's done wonderful things for Israel. [40:56] And people express that gratitude all [40:58] the time. Absolutely. Israelis are [41:00] extremely extremely grateful for [41:02] America, which is also a lesson to the [41:03] haters out there who are always [41:05] complaining about Israel. Yes, there is. [41:08] And we've talked about the aid and we've [41:09] talked about what the the relationship [41:11] is. But just recognize also you have a [41:13] lot of countries in the world that get a [41:14] lot of help from America [41:16] >> and you don't see much gratitude. [41:17] >> You know, you think about how NATO how [41:19] the NATO countries treated America uh [41:22] during this war. You think about the [41:24] Saudis who have this American base and [41:26] then they wouldn't let the Americans use [41:27] it when they wanted to open up the [41:29] Straits of Hormuz and they needed that [41:31] base and the Saudis said no and that [41:33] derailed plans for Project Freedom and [41:35] on and on we could go with countries [41:37] that are are receiving a lot of help [41:40] from the United States but end up, you [41:42] know, going their own way on their [41:44] needs. And Israel is a country that uh [41:47] that you fights alongside America and is [41:49] grateful to America and expresses that [41:51] gratitude all the time. Absolutely. And [41:53] I I saw too recently uh Ambassador [41:56] Huckabe and uh the I think it was the [42:00] municipality of Jerusalem might have [42:01] been uh no it was Gonzar the ministry of [42:03] foreign foreign minister [42:04] >> that uh they signed an agreement that [42:08] for the new uh embassy to be built in [42:12] Jerusalem. Uh, and uh, it's exciting [42:14] because that'll establish it because all [42:16] they did, some people don't understand [42:18] if you haven't been there, but we had a [42:21] embassy in Tel Aviv and a consulate in [42:23] Jerusalem. And when Trump moved the [42:25] embassy to Jerusalem, they just kind of [42:27] switched signs and a few offices. [42:29] >> And now they're going to rebuild a new [42:32] embassy in Jerusalem. They signed [42:35] paperwork on it, which is very nice. And [42:37] I I've read an article saying that that [42:38] will really establish it. It it'll stop [42:41] a future administration from just [42:43] flipping the signs and saying, "Well, [42:44] we're going to not recognize Jerusalem, [42:46] move back. He's going to be established [42:48] and we're going to put a lot of money [42:49] and time and effort into a new [42:51] building." So, and Donald Trump likes to [42:53] build things. So, [42:54] >> yeah. And there's more and more [42:56] embassies moving to Jerusalem. A number [42:57] of South American countries are moving. [42:59] >> Yeah. A lot of good things happening. [43:02] >> Amen. [43:02] >> So, so how did So, I I want to get back [43:05] to your kids. I know we talked about at [43:07] the beginning because I've been thinking [43:09] about them traveling around. Uh I just [43:11] want to know how are they holding up and [43:13] and how did they enjoy July 4th? [43:16] >> Yeah. So we hit a wall for sure after [43:19] after four or five weeks on the road. [43:21] The kids were like, can we just have a [43:23] day to do nothing? And so we we did [43:26] literally right it's raining here today [43:28] in New Jersey. And we told the kids, [43:30] we're not doing anything today. You guys [43:32] could just sit at grandma's and they're [43:34] they're playing games. They helped my [43:36] grandma early this morning out in the [43:38] garden picking some vegetables and [43:39] stuff. But uh you know they're they're [43:42] feeling it. This is a long stint. This [43:43] is 7 weeks and then we're going to go [43:45] back to New York and kind of base in New [43:46] York and we'll bounce wherever we need [43:49] to go from there. So that'll kind of be [43:50] the hub. We won't be out for as long. Um [43:54] but yeah, it's it's been really good. [43:55] It's been great for us. Uh we spent a [43:57] lot of time in the car together. We've [43:58] had a lot of conversations as a family [44:00] that we wouldn't have had otherwise. And [44:02] we got to we got to do some praying. We [44:05] got to do some things that yeah, we're [44:06] homeschooled and yes, we see each other [44:08] a lot. But this has been a whole new [44:10] experience and where everybody knows [44:11] now. So everywhere the kids go, people [44:13] like, "Oh, you excited to go to Israel? [44:14] What are you looking forward to? Have [44:16] you learned any Hebrew phrases?" And our [44:18] kids all like to tell people the [44:20] different phrases. My [laughter] [44:21] my son Abraham likes the word saba. So [44:25] he always so people ask him the Hebrew [44:27] phrase, he likes he'll go sabah. And uh [44:30] you know, so it's neat and it's fun to [44:32] watch them, you know, figure some things [44:34] out, but we're also watching them, you [44:36] know, deal with their own anxiety on [44:39] certain things and figuring some things [44:41] out and they're, you know, having some [44:43] funerals over some things, you know, [44:45] saying goodbye to some things. You know, [44:46] my boys didn't get to play baseball, [44:48] which was a really big deal this spring [44:49] because we started out traveling, you [44:51] know, the middle of May and we're just [44:53] going back home now in July. Baseball [44:55] ended uh a week and a half ago in New [44:57] York. And so they were a little bummed [44:59] about that, but we got them signed up [45:00] for soccer in the fall and we're trying [45:02] to give them a little bit of space. But [45:04] so there's some sacrifices, some give [45:05] and take, and we're watching them uh [45:07] journey through it. But by and large, [45:09] they're they're still chugging along and [45:11] excited. And it's uh it's going to be a [45:13] new season this next several months uh [45:16] for us traveling, going to churches. Uh [45:19] so far, it's all been known entities. Uh [45:22] but we're getting ready in uh August and [45:24] September. We're going to some churches [45:25] we've never been to before. So, I'm [45:27] interested to see the reception and how [45:29] that goes. Uh, most of the places we've [45:32] been thus far have all been people that [45:33] have followed our journey along. They've [45:35] followed us on social media. They're all [45:37] like cheering us on, so excited, praying [45:40] for us, and wanting to get behind [45:42] everything. I'm interested to see how uh [45:45] some new spaces will go and some new [45:46] churches and uh some new pastors and [45:48] stuff like that. uh getting a hold of [45:51] some new material maybe and some and [45:54] hearing a new perspective on Israel and [45:56] a new perspective on some of the stuff [45:57] that perhaps they've never heard before [45:59] and but that's why we're doing this. You [46:00] know, we want to be a champion for for [46:02] what God's doing on the earth today. [46:05] >> Amen. Wow, that's beautiful, Doug. Well, [46:07] I'm looking forward to hearing more [46:08] about it as the journey continues. Thank [46:10] you for listening to today's episode. If [46:12] you enjoyed this episode, please like, [46:14] rate, share this podcast, subscribe on [46:15] Patreon, come on over to Facebook, like [46:17] our page, join our group, and make sure [46:19] you stop by YouTube. 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