Transcript [00:00] I'm running as a candidate as number 12 [00:03] on the Utmayu Houdit party slate. I'm [00:07] I'm running for Knesset right now and uh [00:10] and I hope at the end of this interview [00:12] that there'll be some more people who [00:14] will understand how important it is that [00:16] we have somebody like Hitar Ben who [00:18] pushes back on jihadism and doesn't let [00:20] our Tel Aviv and Jerusalem become like [00:23] Paris and London. So we we under it's [00:26] very easy to explain the policies of [00:28] Benvir to anybody. I'm married to a [00:30] Texan woman, a Jewish Texan woman. I go [00:33] to Texas a lot. Everybody understands [00:35] what the policies of it Benvir. It's [00:38] called law and order. We're restoring [00:39] order to Orlando and not allowing [00:41] jihadist takeover of [00:42] >> Does that include beating up? [00:45] Does that include beating up female [00:47] journalists when they're reporting? [00:48] >> It does not include that. And that's [00:50] silly. Of course, it does not include [00:51] that. and and illegal behavior will be [00:54] dealt with. But that does not mean that [00:56] we're going to miss the big picture, [00:58] which is the Jewish people's return to [00:59] the land of Israel, the big jihad that [01:02] wants to destroy us just like they want [01:03] to destroy Paris and are pushing back on [01:06] those things. We shall survive. We are [01:08] survivors. We have a law and order [01:09] candidate who understands. [01:11] >> Why do you think jihad is destroying [01:12] Paris, by the way? Because that's got [01:14] very little to do with what's actually [01:15] been happening. [01:16] >> Oh, no. It has everything to do with it. [01:17] It's just that you want to be blind to [01:18] it, peers. [01:19] >> Not really. I'm married to I'm married [01:21] to someone who's half Parisian, so I may [01:23] know a bit more about it than you do. [01:24] >> Maybe you do and maybe you don't, but [01:26] you may not understand the roots of it [01:28] as I [01:29] >> Do you think what's happening on the [01:30] streets of of Paris right now is down to [01:33] what what [clears throat] do you think [01:34] it's down to? Islamic fundamentals [01:36] immigration. I heard I heard Polish. [01:37] >> It's not it's not though it's a complete [01:39] misar [01:41] wanting sharper. [01:42] >> It's not about students. No, no, it it's [01:44] about actually a historic tradition of [01:48] the French people protesting. They do it [01:49] all the time. And what's been happening [01:51] now is that more and more thugs and [01:54] criminals have been getting on the end [01:56] of these protests when dusk falls and [01:58] they start smashing things up, setting [02:00] fire to things and stealing things. [02:01] These are just [02:03] >> people are going to listen to you say [02:04] these words and millions of people are [02:06] going to say Pierce Morgan, smart guy, [02:08] quite detached though from the reality [02:10] on the ground. They don't that people [02:12] don't understand how you don't [02:13] understand that immigration, jihadist [02:15] immigration destroys the west. Okay. I [02:18] saw the [02:18] >> I think jihadist immigration is a [02:21] serious problem, but it's not happening [02:22] in Paris right now on the scale you seem [02:25] to think it is. [02:25] >> That's fine. That's fine. If if [02:27] >> so there's also a danger in peopleing [02:30] every criminality down to the Muslim [02:32] immigrants, which is also a problem. [02:34] >> No, no, no, no. It's going to No, we're [02:36] going to make every criminality about [02:37] the Jews defending themselves in the [02:39] homeland. I know. I I I heard you know [02:42] the other people that you have on. IT'S [02:44] ALL ABOUT Israel defending itself. Tiny [02:46] little Israel amongst 22 countries. [02:48] That's the bane of the world. The way [02:49] that we dealt with [02:50] >> tiny little Israel has the nuclear on on [02:53] kamas. Okay. Well, that's where the the [02:56] Okay. But you agree you agree. Just [02:58] before I come to Owen, just to be clear, [03:00] do you agree that Israel is the only [03:01] nuclear power in that region? [03:03] >> What what does that have to do with [03:04] anything? On the one hand, we're told [03:07] Israel is this tiny little country and [03:09] therefore everything they do should be [03:11] perfectly understood and accepted and [03:13] encouraged. On the other, we happen to [03:16] also know that Israel is a big nuclear [03:19] power, one of the biggest in the world, [03:21] the only p nuclear power in that region. [03:25] And so this presentation of Israel as [03:29] somehow tiny and sort of [03:31] >> Show the map, Pierce. Show the map. No, [03:33] you might be geographically small, but [03:35] you're a nuclear superpower. [03:36] >> People wise small as well. [03:40] >> More to the point, you drive [03:41] anti-semitism. And people like myself [03:46] the exact opposite. [03:46] >> First thing, you didn't listen to your [03:48] anti-semitism. [03:49] >> You are driving anti-mitism. [03:51] >> Let him respond to us. [03:52] >> I'm the driver of anti-semitism. This [03:54] guy writes a whole book about [03:55] anti-semitism, but I'm a driver of [03:57] anti-semitism because I'm protecting my [03:59] people. [04:01] absurdity of this of this supposedly, [04:04] you know, smart dude, good-looking, nice [04:06] eyes, British British accent, full of [04:08] crap. I'm the anti-semite because I [04:10] defend my peoplehood in this land [04:12] because we push back on jihadism that [04:14] took over Gaza because we make sure that [04:16] our country is safe because because [04:17] Minister Benvir gave out 300,000 more [04:20] guns in the last four years so that Jews [04:22] can defend themselves from the the [04:24] >> What is going to What is going to happen [04:27] in the Israeli election? because with [04:28] the way the polls are looking, Netanyahu [04:30] will lose unless he pulls another one of [04:33] his miraculous uh levers out. What do [04:37] What do you think is going to happen [04:38] based on current information? [04:40] >> I'm not a pole dancer. You might be a [04:42] pole dancer. I'm not a pole dancer. I'm [04:44] I'm I'm here to run. I'm representing my [04:46] party. I think the right-wing is going [04:48] to do great. I think that people do not [04:50] want to give away the land of Israel [04:52] anymore. They don't believe in [04:53] progressive policies that that reward [04:55] the jihad. They don't believe that Jews [04:57] should not have arms. They don't believe [04:59] that prisoners should be treated as [05:00] though they're in a hotel. [05:02] >> Who is who is gonna win the election [05:04] then? [05:04] >> What's that? [05:05] >> Who's going to win the election? [05:08] >> Bring on a political scientist. Okay. [05:09] I'm running I'm running for with Ben. [05:12] I'm running with the right wing and [05:13] we're going to win. [05:14] >> You're going to be hoping to represent [05:16] Ben's party. He has very vocal views [05:20] about what he wants to do with the West [05:22] Bank and Gaza. Is your position that you [05:25] think Israel should take over the West [05:29] Bank and the Palestinians should leave [05:30] and the same with Gaza? No, I my [05:33] position is simple and it's one that [05:35] I've held for 25 years. You can also [05:37] read my New York Times article about [05:40] alternatives to a two-state solution, a [05:42] big op-ed there. You could actually see [05:44] what I say and not listen to Owen Jones [05:46] and his crap. [05:46] >> Well, just answer my question. [05:48] >> I will answer you fully because this is [05:50] the heart of my life. I'm I'm speaking [05:51] to you right now from the liberated [05:54] Judea next to Bethlehem and Hebrron and [05:57] close to Jerusalem where we're illegally [05:59] occupying. Bull crap. We're from this [06:01] land. We are the indigenous peoples of [06:03] this land. We bought this land. We [06:05] >> So, what do you want to do with the West [06:06] Bank? [06:06] >> What I want to do is get rid of jihadis. [06:09] And I've said it many times in many [06:11] interview. [06:11] >> How many Palestinians would you allow to [06:13] leave? How many Palestinians? [06:15] >> Don't make me say I'm not going to say [06:16] that word. The word is jihadis. Jihadis [06:20] got to go. [06:22] >> What percentage? What percentage of the [06:24] Palestinians currently in the West Bank [06:26] >> who behave like jihadis? [06:28] >> I hear you, Isai. [06:29] >> I'm not answering you in percentages. [06:30] It's not a percentage question. You [06:32] don't know what the answer YOU DON'T [06:33] KNOW QUESTION IS. [06:34] >> EXCUSE ME. DO YOU WANT AN ANSWER? [06:35] >> Let me ask the question. You can decide [06:37] if you want to answer it. My question [06:39] is, what percentage of Palestinians on [06:42] the West Bank do you view as jihadist? I [06:45] don't have a percentage number and I'm a [06:47] guess one. [06:48] >> I'm not GIVING YOU A GUESS. [06:49] >> 5% 20%, 50%, 100%. [06:52] >> The question I will go on now. My [06:53] >> No, [laughter] it's important because [06:55] you say you want to get rid of jihadists [06:57] from the West Bank. What percentage of [06:59] the Palestinians you live there do you [07:01] view as jihadists? [07:04] >> Jihadism is a is a is a is a taught [07:07] ideology. It's like Nazism. And [07:09] therefore, we can also unte it when we [07:11] stop the mosques, stop the social media. [07:14] Palestinians I've looked how many of the [07:16] hang [07:19] on is it shouldn't be difficult this you [07:22] say your position is you want to kick [07:24] all the jihadists out of the West Bank [07:26] okay how many of the Palestinians you [07:28] get that jihadist in your view how many [07:32] Palestinians on the West Bank are [07:34] jihadists [07:35] >> when they were asked whether they [07:37] supported October 7th massacre in Gaza [07:41] and in Judea and Samaria the so-c [07:43] calledled called West Bank the average [07:45] support number was around 80%. [07:46] >> So you would kick out 80% of all the [07:48] Palestinians? [07:49] >> I from from West Bank and Gaz. [07:52] >> I'm trying to work out what your policy [07:54] is. You want to be a politician in the [07:56] Knesset. No, you're not. You're ducking [07:58] it. So what you've JUST SAID ANYTHING [08:01] OF jihadis [08:04] got to go. Do you view 80% of [08:07] Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza [08:09] as jihadists? [08:10] >> I hope not. I hope it's a lower number. [08:12] But anybody anybody who wants to be a [08:14] loyal a part of the state of Israel can [08:17] be and will be. That's our law and [08:19] that's even our Bible. I've looked it [08:21] up. I've looked it up. [08:23] >> I've looked. He says in an interview he [08:25] says any opposition to the Jewish state [08:26] is jihadism. And he defines opposition [08:29] to the Jewish state in the most broadest [08:30] possible term. His party led by David. [08:34] You looked it up on the other. I love [08:37] you. his program, the program of his [08:40] removed nearly 90% of Gaza's population [08:43] in the space of seven years. But again, [08:45] can you just answer this? Do you accept [08:47] that if you said, and don't bother [08:49] denying it cuz I read your interview, [08:50] you said you don't want, and we're [08:52] talking about Arab citizens of Israel, [08:53] I'd say them Palestinians, but Arab [08:55] citizens of Israel, the 20% of the [08:57] population, you said you don't want them [08:59] to be citizens. You said you would strip [09:01] their parliamentary registr um [09:03] representation to three out of 120 [09:05] seats. They represent a fifth of the [09:07] population. And you said that they [09:08] should not be equal to Jews. You're a [09:10] racist, aren't you? How are you not a [09:11] racist? [09:12] >> I'm not a racist at all. I'm not a [09:13] racist state. That's not racist. [09:16] >> I live in a state which is also a [09:19] protectorate which is also a [09:21] reservation. We are a tiny minority in [09:23] this region and therefore we have to [09:25] protect our minority uh in this region [09:27] from the majority of 400 million Arabs [09:29] and many more. Palestinians are a [09:31] minority. Therefore, therefore in Israel [09:35] by the West Bank or Gaza, you accept we [09:38] will control the West Bank and we will [09:39] control our Gaza. It is our accept you [09:42] want to take citizenship fought for it [09:44] and we will kick out jihadis. [09:45] >> Okay, whatever. [09:46] >> Israeli [09:48] just genocide. [09:50] >> Let me finish or what? [09:51] >> No, just answer. Do you want to strip [09:53] babysitting me? Please, what [09:55] >> do you want? Well, yeah, I kind of am [09:57] here. Yeah. Babysitting an an absolute [09:59] monster by a white colonialist who [10:01] thinks he can tell the world what to do. [10:02] Get the hell out of our business [10:04] already. [10:05] >> No. [10:07] We know that you want to tell us what to [10:08] do. You want to tell the whole world [10:09] what to do. That's how you make your [10:11] anti-semitism. [10:12] >> I just believe all people are equal. I [10:14] believe unlike you. I believe [10:15] >> I'm glad for you. Go back to your [10:17] country. Take care of your business. [10:18] >> I'm I'm here. I'm here. I'm speaking to [10:20] you from my country. [10:21] >> Take care of your business. Leave us the [10:22] hell alone already. [10:23] >> No, because that's not how that's not [10:25] how human rights work. Your career is [10:26] based on your whole book is based on on [10:28] anti-semitism, anti-Israelism. [10:31] You define anti-semitism [10:34] as meaning you will be treated with [10:36] equality and with the reason you're [10:38] doing this. [10:39] >> The reason you're just carrying on and [10:40] on and on is because you know that I've [10:43] pinned you down on the on a basic [10:44] question. [10:45] >> You have not pinned me anything. [10:46] >> You said I don't want here population of [10:51] Israel to be the region. You're just a [10:53] white guy with a big loud mouth. Okay. [10:55] You have nothing to do with anything. [10:57] Everyone [10:59] knows what your funding is. I'm [11:00] surprised if it's Qatar, Iran, who the [11:02] hell knows what. It doesn't matter. [11:04] Yeah. I'm funed by Iran and Qatar. You [11:06] really got me accept [11:10] the 20% of Israel Arab citizens. [11:13] >> Do you accept as you do not belong in as [11:16] per your interview? Do you accept? [11:19] >> Do you accept that if you're a jihadist [11:22] citizens of Israel should not be equal [11:23] to Jews? Just say it. [11:25] >> It's hard to It's hard to hear either of [11:26] you. [11:27] >> I do believe that this is the Jewish [11:28] state and minorities that want to live [11:30] amongst us have to be loyal to the [11:32] Jewish state. That's all. [11:33] >> Okay. Well, talking of minorities living [11:35] amongst you, because Beng has quite a [11:37] strong view about homosexuality. What's [11:39] your view of that, Isa? [11:41] >> Not not not he doesn't have a strong [11:43] view on it. We we are not that's not our [11:45] issues. Our part is about security. Go [11:47] on. You you support the right of people [11:50] to be homosexual of [11:52] >> we have we have a very big democracy. We [11:54] have a lot of different kinds of Jews. [11:56] Yes, I support people's rights to live [11:58] their kind of life. The question is [12:00] marriage and other issues. These are [12:01] legal issues of how the state of Israel [12:04] uh uh uh handles marriage and other [12:05] issues. These are much broader issues. [12:07] I'm not going to discuss that today. [12:08] Sorry. You're the one leading parades. [12:10] talking about pushing back on jihadism [12:12] in our land and giving Jews equal rights [12:14] on the temple mount and not being [12:16] overrun by kamasah Iran etc. THAT'S WHAT [12:19] WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU'RE JUST TRYING [12:21] to [12:23] you think you're going to get me into a [12:24] corner because I'm an observant Jew. You [12:26] think you can get me in trouble. I don't [12:27] care anything [12:29] about what you think about our marriages [12:31] in Israel. The great leave us alone [12:34] is one that built the modern left. You [12:37] have nothing to do with that tradition. [12:38] You are an insult to that great Jewish [12:40] tradition, but more broadly nothing to [12:43] DO WITH JUDAISM. YOU'RE not even Jewish. [12:46] You're not gonna TELL ME WHAT JUDAISM [12:48] IS. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TELL THE WORLD [12:49] what it is. You're an insult to the [12:50] Jewish people. GO TO HELL. YOU'RE AN [12:52] INSULT TO WHATEVER YOU ARE. WHO THE HELL [12:55] CARES? YOU'RE AN INSULT TO Europeans [12:57] jihadism to come into England. YOU ARE [13:00] DESTROYING THE WEST AND THEN WRITING A [13:01] BOOK ABOUT HOW ISRAEL DESTROYED THE [13:03] WEST. Let me ask you a QUESTION ABOUT [13:05] POLLING. ABOUT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT [13:06] POLLING. You mentioned about polling. I [13:08] mean, I would say if you look at Jewish [13:09] Americans, 61% think Israel's committed [13:12] war crimes. Nearly four in 10 think it's [13:14] committed genocide. [13:15] >> I'm going to ask you now. No, I'm going [13:17] to ask you. I'm because you made a [13:18] point. You cited polling about the West [13:20] Bank. [13:21] >> The polling shows [13:23] >> he kept asking about how many% [13:26] of Jewish Israelis believe there are no [13:30] innocent people in Gaza. That includes, [13:32] of course, the soldiers who have [13:34] perpetrated a genocide. 76%. What do you [13:38] say to that? How can you call other [13:40] people an entire people extremist when [13:42] amongst and again very different from [13:44] what Jewish Americans think in Israel [13:46] itself 76% [13:49] of Jewish Israelis think there are no [13:51] innocent people in GS which includes [13:53] babies, toddlers, elderly people. That [13:56] is genocidal mania is it not? So who are [13:58] you? [14:00] >> Well let me well let me look Isa. Let's [14:03] round things off. Isha, do you believe [14:05] there are innocent people in Gaza or the [14:07] West Bank? [14:07] >> I I don't I don't believe it. I know it. [14:09] I WAS THERE IN 2005 when Gazin said to [14:13] me, "Don't leave. You don't understand." [14:15] Gazin Arabs said to me, "You don't [14:17] understand who's going to take over. [14:18] Please don't allow us to be ruled by [14:20] this kamas, these evil people." Of [14:22] course, there are innocent people in [14:23] Gaza. There's not even a question. I [14:26] can't [14:29] live with them. You have to shop with [14:30] them. I DO I DO MY MECHANICS with them. [14:33] You said to me I'm not a white guy [14:34] talking about it from afar. I'm here you [14:37] have I'm going to keep mentioning his [14:39] skin color. [14:41] You did say you did suggest that you [14:43] think 80% of of the Palestinians and [14:46] guards in the West Bank are sweating. [14:48] Are you sweating? Somebody's actually [14:49] challenging you finally to your to your [14:51] bigoted lies. I see you're sweating. I [14:53] see it. I could see it. Ellen Jonesy [14:56] thinks he knows something about the [14:57] Middle East. Get out of our land. GET [14:59] OUT OF OUR ISSUES. STOP BEING PAID by [15:02] it. [laughter] [15:04] It may be time for you to get a room [15:06] which after the comments you made about [15:09] quite enjoy. [15:10] >> All right, we're going to leave it [15:11] there. [15:12] >> We're going to continue to be strong [15:13] here and we're going to continue and and [15:16] I'm going to be talking to you next time [15:19] >> at Pierce next time from the West. [15:22] Thanks. [15:22] >> Well, you're number 12 and I think the [15:24] Ben is predicted to get eight seats for [15:26] the party. So, you probably won't make [15:27] it. But if you do make it, we'll speak [15:29] then. [15:30] >> Yeah. Get therapy in the meantime, [15:31] though. [15:32] >> Yeah. [15:32] >> Yeah. You go wipe your forehead. You're [15:34] sweating, buddy. See you later. Uh, not [15:36] just my just my forehead, I'm afraid. [15:38] You know, [15:39] >> get get a room, you two. Thank you both [15:41] very much.
